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Southern Baptist malaise

16 Apr

They’re fretting.

About 800 to 1,000 Southern Baptist congregations cease to exist annually, largely due to a stagnant vision among the leadership and lack of impact within their communities, says a church planting director. However, church leaders say the closures are often the symptom of a greater problem.

“Churches are closing in large part because they have either become disconnected from culture and, or disconnected from Scripture. When this happens, life leaves the church,” Joshua Hedger, director of Center for Church Planting at Midwestern Seminary, told The Christian Post.

Although the Baptist convention opened 1,300 new churches last year, Hedger says they are not gaining enough new ground and will rely on church planters to create a movement that will hopefully put an end to dying congregations. The church revitalization process usually involves new leadership taking over a declining church, who then implements a strategy on how to grow the congregation again.

“In some churches, a simple change in leadership and culture takes place,” Hedger said. “Some fully shut down and allow a new church to take over their facilities, assets, and people. Others find themselves anywhere between those two extremes.”

Dr. Rodney Harrison, a former revitalization pastor says part of the process is also addressing issues that the former leadership of a church did not deal with, such as “problems caused by members who embodied the works of the flesh.”

“In these restarts, church discipline has always been a part of the revitalization process. The goal of discipline is restoration, however, since the process is painful, most churches in need of revitalization have not addressed the issue of members behaving badly,” Harrison said.

I have an idea or two about how they might possibly improve their fortunes.

You know that old joke about the guy who goes to the doctor, tells him it hurts when he bends his elbow, and his doctor tells him not to bend it?

There is much wisdom in that, actually.

Hey, Southern Baptists: you know whatever you’re doing that isn’t working?

Don’t do those things. 🙂

Yes, discipline is important.

But it’s not the only thing.

I’m heavily biased, as an ex-evangelical, and as someone who’s Reformed, so bear that in mind.

Even so, here are my thoughts:

(a) Stop the fighting between Calvinists and non-Calvinists. How you chose to do so, is up to you – either, as I’d naturally endorse, embrace Calvinism categorically and silence any dissent against it from pastors and ruling elders (or whatever you call them) and seminarians; or, alternately, reject it categorically and silence any dissent from pastors, elders, seminarians; or, third option, embrace the ‘big tent’ approach decisively, saying you’ll have room for both perspectives, and will officially as an organization be neutral, and agree to have a truce and stop the infighting. I don’t know which is best, though I like the first option naturally, but seriously, anything but the status quo, where there’s much squabbling and infighting, even if below the surface.

(b) Stop doing whatever else it is that you have been doing, and re-embrace your roots. You have an old hymnbook, and old-fashioned liturgy? Return to it. You used to eschew megachurches? Return to small congregations only. And so on. You used to take decidedly conservative stands on virtually all political matters? Go back to doing so exclusively, and stop fretting about outreach to minorities, and work on outreach to your base – white folks. Stop embracing increased immigration, and political amnesty for illegals, to curry favour with such communities. Stop with the apologizing for the fact your denomination used to be pro-slavery. That was a century and a half ago; sheesh! On the other hand, stop being knee-jerk neo-con as regards foreign policy matters – Israelis aren’t going SBC, and Putin is not the anti-Christ. Relax. Ignore foreigners. Work on America.

(c) Stop having pastors and seminarians and other bigwigs in your organization who white-knight, and kiss women’s asses while bashing men; e.g. Russell Moore, Al Mohler, etc. Give men a reason to attend your church; care about matters of importance to them, and don’t let any pastors badmouth men, in general; none of the ‘Mother’s Day, we celebrate mothers / Father’s Day, we focus on fathers’ shortcomings’ crap.

Those are my ideas, free of charge, take them or leave them.

And I’m feeling so magnanimous tonight, I won’t even mention your stupid teetotalitarianism. (Wait; oops! 🙂 )

 

19 responses to “Southern Baptist malaise

  1. seriouslypleasedropit

    April 16, 2014 at 12:44 am

    You know, I suspect they don’t even have to “address men’s issues;” simply being unafraid of women would go a long ways. Men know they’re sinners, they can take a tongue-lashing now and then. Just stop holding them while feminists hit them.

     
  2. Will S.

    April 16, 2014 at 12:48 am

    No doubt you’re right.

     
  3. ballista74

    April 16, 2014 at 12:52 am

    Interestingly enough, I found an old Baptist manual (1950) on dealing with men in the church. I read the first few pages and saw something incendiary enough for a post. I don’t know if I’ll do anything with it or when, but it’ll be an interesting read I’m sure.

     
    • Will S.

      April 16, 2014 at 12:55 am

      Ooh, I’d love to hear more!

       
  4. ballista74

    April 16, 2014 at 2:17 am

    I’ll have to read it through and put things on my own blog if I do it, but here’s the passage that caught my eye:

    It is significant–and somewhat condemning–that the implementation of the purpose and program of our churches has been largely in the hands of the women who today make up the majority of our church attendants and workers. The obvious trend toward greater service by women is evidenced not only in the church but in civic and social affairs as well. It would seem that women are showing more concern for the moral and spiritual uplift of society while men are concerning themselves more with the acquisition of material things. – Page 11, Men in the Local Church by Jesse Jai McNeil

    Anyone that’s read my blog will know what things I can link to deal with this, and probably what I’ll say, but I’ll leave that as an exercise to the reader.

     
  5. Chris

    April 16, 2014 at 3:09 am

    Yep.
    And keep it simple.
    Morning formal service for one hour at 10 or 11 AM.
    Evening service, more informal.

    Wednesday groups for families — instead of Sunday School.

    And Youth group activities on Friday night — which for blokes should include camping trips when the football and hockey season is not upon us — Rugby, cricket and rowing where I live :-). Forget the home groups and the women’s groups and the multiple ministries. Do things as families… even to the point of doing swing and square dances for everyone on Saturday night, singles included.

     
  6. infowarrior1

    April 16, 2014 at 6:35 am

    The southern baptist convention should read this:
    http://churchformen.com/men-and-church/why-men-matter/

    “The obvious trend toward greater service by women is evidenced not only in the church but in civic and social affairs as well. It would seem that women are showing more concern for the moral and spiritual uplift of society while men are concerning themselves more with the acquisition of material things.”

    Lol wut? Here is a simple test for them. Who wears the pants in the marriage relationship truly? This will separate the Godly women from the so called “Godly” Women.

     
  7. Will S.

    April 16, 2014 at 7:29 am

    @ ballista74: Ah, so even back then, they were blaming their fellow men. For shame.

    @ Chris: Good suggestions, IMO.

    @ infowarrior1: David Murrow has some good and spot-on ideas, certainly.

    “Lol wut? Here is a simple test for them. Who wears the pants in the marriage relationship truly? This will separate the Godly women from the so called “Godly” Women.”

    Indeed.

     
  8. Will S.

    April 16, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Are Baptists against square dancing, too? Or ballroom dancing?

    Or just more contemporary forms of dancing?

     
  9. ballista74

    April 16, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    @infowarrior1 The problem with lies is that they are rarely pure lies. That’s what I notice with that book I referenced. A lot of it is very good, and would be very good to just copy if you just wanted some good affirmative Christian men’s ministry stuff. It even reminded me of a lot of what I’ve read on a few blogs in this neighborhood.

    But the problem is that all it takes is a poison pill or two to derail the whole thing. That’s what Dobson’s book was, and that’s what this one is turning out to be as I read it. Pretty slow going since I’m typing out interesting passages.

    Problem is, 99% truth is still 100% lie, and you have the hardest time convincing most people of this 1% that’s the problem, even when they vociferously defend it. One passage is as if he responded to a lot of the posts that get made in the manosphere about the church and Christian religion as it stands today.

    @WillS : things like that book just keeps proving what I keep trying to say on my blog. Feminism is a much different animal than most people seem to think it is, and it’s a much longer lived animal than most people seem to think it is. Astounding as I’ve learned these things to see people claim anti-feminism in one paragraph and then champion it in the very next one.

     
  10. Will S.

    April 16, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    No doubt, ballista74.

     
  11. ballista74

    April 17, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    Things are a bit wonky with the pingbacks I’ve noticed, so I thought I’d go ahead and post this here: The Malaise of Churchianity. It’s all the quotes I mined out of “Men in the Local Church” as I mentioned in this thread.

     
  12. Will S.

    April 17, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    Thanks ballista74; it just got held up in moderation, I’ve released the pingback now, but thanks for also linking it here. 🙂

     
  13. ballista74

    April 17, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    Cool. I could have mined much more on the Churchianity angle, but I figured that one was enough. There’s really plenty of “look in your own backyard” kind of quotes like that one, but seeing Dr. McNeil explain the spectre of Churchianity so well won out on that one.

     
  14. Will S.

    April 17, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    Ah. Indeed.

     

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