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To Christians who whine about Trump’s moral character and lack of real faith

13 Mar

So what?

Moses was a murderer; David was an adulterer; Samson was a fornicator.

But God saw fit to use such unworthy vessels for His holy purposes: to lead His people Israel.

By contrast, this here is just a temporal, secular office, the United States presidency. It is not a holy calling.

And so if God can choose men who have lived ungodly, unworthy lives for holy purposes, how much more can a mixed group of Christians and unbelievers together decide, if they please, to choose a man who has lived an ungodly, unworthy life for a secular, temporal endeavour, the United States presidency?

Stop throwing pissy, sissy, hissy fits.

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Posted by on March 13, 2016 in America, government, religion, spirituality, Theology

 

43 responses to “To Christians who whine about Trump’s moral character and lack of real faith

  1. feeriker

    March 13, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    I pay no attention whatsoever to American Christians who are obsessed with politics. As a matter of fact, the more obsessed they are with temporal politics, the less obsessed they are with Jesus. More importantly, they’ve collectively impugned their faith where politics is concerned by overwhelmingly rejecting the one presidential candidate four years ago who was a real believer: Ron Paul.

     
    • Will S.

      March 13, 2016 at 7:16 pm

      I liked Ron Paul; I’m disappointed by his son Rand.

      I agree, too bad more didn’t embrace him, back then.

       
  2. J Carrick

    March 13, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    His children love and respect him. That says a lot. The people who work for him have nothing bad, and much good, to say about him. Even his ex-wives like him.
    I’ll take an experienced business man over just about any politician any day of the week. Trump believes in God and he loves America. He has my vote.

     
    • Will S.

      March 13, 2016 at 7:24 pm

      Indeed, that does count for much.

      And he’s willing to take stands no-one else will.

       
    • zorroprimo

      March 14, 2016 at 5:14 pm

      What says a lot is Trump’s kids aren’t the Hollywood, money-addled freaks like Will Smith’s f-ed up kids, a Kardashian whore, or Madonna’s messed up son.

      Trump’s family is locked down and squared away. You never see them on the scandal rags.

      Anyone can lip-service the topic of family values. Trump has only to introduce his own family to prove where he stands.

       
      • Will S.

        March 15, 2016 at 2:49 am

        Indeed.

         
  3. Christ Centered Teaching

    March 13, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    Trump is Trump. No pretensions.
    Can’t say that for the rest of them.
    His heart and mind appear to be genuinely where we the people need our leadership as president to be.
    Maybe just what we need.

     
    • Chillingworth

      March 13, 2016 at 7:14 pm

      “No pretensions.”

      Mr. Trump is virtually nothing but pretensions, starting with his repeated attempts to convince us that he’s a serious Christian.

      All other things being equal, I would be much more likely to vote for an honest atheist.

       
      • Christ Centered Teaching

        March 13, 2016 at 7:19 pm

        How many people do you know who think they are Christian but give you doubts.
        I believe he doesn’t know the difference, like many or perhaps most. Christ said to enter at the narrow door, after all.

         
      • Chillingworth

        March 13, 2016 at 8:00 pm

        Certainly Mr. Trump is not the only person who isn’t a serious Christian, but I think he is unique among national politicians I’m aware of, if not among people I’ve heard of anywhere, in terms of the difference between how hard he tries to convince us and how very unlike a serious Christian he seems to be.

         
    • Will S.

      March 13, 2016 at 7:22 pm

      Nobody else will consider changing immigration policies to ban certain people altogether, and building walls to keep illegals out (it can be done; it’s been done in eastern Europe, the refugee flood has almost dropped to a mere trickle, now).

      The culture war battles have been lost, and now Christians suffer from persecution if they don’t take the business of queers, or won’t marry them, etc. Trump may not be a believer, but he says he’d protect Christians from prosecution along such lines. That’d be good.

      I don’t know if he’s trustworthy or if he’ll break all his campaign promises. But I do know others have broken many promises they made when they ran for office; if he keeps even some, esp. these things that nobody else will say, that’ll be a lot better than most.

       
      • Christ Centered Teaching

        March 13, 2016 at 7:29 pm

        Will,
        We have an app here in the USA called Glassdoor. It is an credible independent rating online source for rating employers and their CEO.
        Trump gets 92% and 73% of employees would recommend the company to a friend for employment.
        Not bad as ratings go.

         
      • Christ Centered Teaching

        March 13, 2016 at 7:31 pm

        Will,
        A wall is working for Israel quite well. The constant suicide bombers has gone down drastically, though walls can’t stop rockets.

         
      • Christ Centered Teaching

        March 13, 2016 at 7:35 pm

        I’ve been studying Islamic doctrine and history.
        It is at once shocking, interesting, and incredibly absent from textbooks and history books at large, for a religion that once controlled 1/3 of the then known world.
        I recommend it to you for research.

         
      • Will S.

        March 13, 2016 at 7:36 pm

        Yep, those are good ratings, indeed. (True, I don’t know how many people gave their opinions, but assuming a sample size of more than a few hundred, probably gives a fairly accurate impression, of the opinions of many, if not most, in his employ.)

         
      • Will S.

        March 13, 2016 at 7:38 pm

        Walls work. Even at the Vatican, they have a wall around their city for protection, despite the idiocy of the current pope who decries wall-builders as unchristian. Oops!

         
      • Chillingworth

        March 13, 2016 at 8:06 pm

        But this is part of what drives me crazy about this election cycle. I’m all in favor of building a wall, double-layer fencing, or whatever physical barrier it takes (as well as robust enforcement against employers and all the other non-physical components of effective immigration enforcement—a “comprehensive” reform, so to speak!), and so is Ted Cruz—has been for years.
        https://enjoymentandcontemplation.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/ted-cruz-is-the-strongest-candidate-on-immigration/

        Cruz is a conservative dream candidate, a full-spectrum conservative (socially, fiscally, and everything else) who’s unapologetic about it, and good at articulating and making the case for conservatism to boot. Yet he gets overlooked and Trump gets the attention.

        Their stated positions as to the wall, for example, are basically identical. But only one of the two of them has shamelessly lied to masses of people for his own personal advantage before. Why should we believe that Trump isn’t scamming us right now? Why not support the conservative who didn’t start articulating these positions just the day before yesterday, the one we don’t have reason to distrust?

         
      • Will S.

        March 13, 2016 at 8:30 pm

        Politics isn’t fair, of course. Reasons Cruz hasn’t caught fire the way Trump has?

        Some possibilities:

        (a) From what I’ve read, there’s something in Cruz’ manner that many people find off-putting; it may not be fair to judge him on his charisma or personality rather than his values and positions and personal character, but unfortunately, people do. I’m not just referring to Establishment Republicans; others have articulated it, too.

        I don’t watch TV, haven’t watched any of the debates, so I don’t have a lot of personal witness to these things I’ve read, but I did see one clip which makes me understand why many people are rubbed the wrong way by him: This ostensibly humourous video starring Cruz seems too scripted:

        https://willsrandomweirdness.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/making-machine-gun-bacon-with-ted-cruz/

        He comes off as phony in it; trying too hard. His laughter seems forced.

        (b) Americans don’t want another Texas evangelical right now; they remember W.

        (c) Americans don’t want a Hispanic guy right now; they want a Germanic-background regular American, not a half-Cuban.

         
  4. infowarrior1

    March 13, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    It seems characteristic about weak men to shriek like a shrinking violet in regards to strong masculine men like Trump and Putin.

     
  5. infowarrior1

    March 13, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    History is replete with God using the wrong people to accomplish right ends. Like the Assyrian Empire and Babylonian empire.

     
    • Will S.

      March 13, 2016 at 8:41 pm

      Quite.

      And ultimately, we should always, as Christians, remember that God is sovereign, and in control, no matter what happens; even if there’s a new Babylonian Captivity…

       
  6. Will S.

    March 13, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    Perhaps the most thorough explanation, for those who don’t get why Trump is popular, as to why he is:

    http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2016/April/40/4/magazine/article/10831191/

     
  7. RICanuck

    March 13, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    I have worked in the US South. Mat Walsh suffers from the same stereotype that North East and West Coast liberals believe about the South. It’s the Bible belt!

    The South is the Bible belt. It is also the drink, f^ck, fight belt. The two cultures push against each other, and also overlap. There is a Southern trope about the guy in church on Sunday morning, with a hangover, bruises, and a shiny new STD.

    The mainstream Republicans haven’t done much for the Bible Belt South, and Trump speak the language of the drink, f^ck, fight belt South.

    I am not surprised by Trump’s success in the Bible Belt.

     
    • Will S.

      March 13, 2016 at 11:31 pm

      I heard someone divide Texas similarly, saying there’s your Baptist Belt, and your Honky Tonk Belt, there.

      Makes sense; no region is entirely monolithic, surely.

       
  8. feeriker

    March 14, 2016 at 12:33 am

    Cruz is a conservative dream candidate, a full-spectrum conservative (socially, fiscally, and everything else) who’s unapologetic about it, and good at articulating and making the case for conservatism to boot. Yet he gets overlooked and Trump gets the attention.

    Cruz is an Establishment cuckservative, a Beltway insider. In other words, he’s a walking, breathing example of the failed status quo. People know this and see right through him. We’ve already had nearly 30 years of this from the Republicans (Dubya’s daddy being the first). It’s a stale, tired, insulting joke, one that’s on the American people, and they are no longer amused.

    If the current GOP Establishment was a retail business, it would’ve gone bankrupt and folded years ago.

     
  9. weak stream

    March 14, 2016 at 12:43 am

    And I live in Austin, which isn’t part of Texas as far as I can tell. A completely socialist, progressive, consumer dungeon, surrounded by thousands of miles of gunsmoke and barbeque.

     
    • Will S.

      March 14, 2016 at 12:48 am

      I’ve long been mystified how Austin is so hippy. (Apart from all the weed, of course, which facilitates muddied thinking…) One thing Baptists and cowboys alike are not, is hippy.

       
      • infowarrior1

        March 14, 2016 at 5:35 am

        University and government institutions are magnets for leftists. Note the presence of NASA as well which seems fully given over. An likewise expats from California for the same policies they vote in waiting to indoctrinate via education the next generation(many of them already liberal as a result) and vote in the same bullshit.

         
      • Will S.

        March 14, 2016 at 10:59 am

        Ah yes, a government town. That would do it. I’ve lived in more than one of those myself, I know how that works.

        University towns are also leftist. If you have both government and a university, doubly so.

         
      • bluebird of bitterness

        March 14, 2016 at 4:53 pm

        I live in a university town. It’s also a town where just about EVERYONE belongs to a union — from the person who washes dishes in the kitchen at the hospital, to the janitor at the nursing home, to the receptionist at the high school, to the entire faculty and staff of the university… you get the idea. Those of us who do not work for the government in some capacity and lack union membership are real anomalies here.

         
  10. rednig

    March 14, 2016 at 7:30 am

    Yep and forgive Trump for being a liberal, forgive his favoring people like Pelosi and Reid, his support for anything and everything conservatives are again. Most of all, forgive him his hypocrisy of hiring illegal aliens to work for him and then shouting the borders must be saved! There are a great number of things I like about him, but he’s a poor choice. Democrats are flocking to vote for him, even changing parties to do so believing him to be the least likely to defeat their hero, Hilldabeast and her neonazism. I can’t see Trump as being much better than her or Sandy burnout, but there are differences, and good ones. Adding, how much wealth has Trump added to the family fortune? Any? Or is he completely controlled as Kennedy, Perot, and the rest by handlers? Everything he’s done has been an admitted failure, until someone else took the reins.

     
  11. pukeko60

    March 14, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    Quoted. Agree.
    But then, I live in the commonwealth, where those of Christ are a minority.

     
    • Will S.

      March 15, 2016 at 2:48 am

      Those truly of Christ are a minority everywhere, alas…

       
  12. feeriker

    March 15, 2016 at 12:19 am

    But then, I live in the commonwealth, where those of Christ are a minority.

    They’re a minority here too. The only difference is that the Christian pretense is much weaker in the Commonwealth than here.

     

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