Western men are “winning”, or, Conversation with a Young Woman

It is not often that I have access to 21-year-old women in a social setting. I recently had the chance to talk one-on-one with a young woman, using a number of topics from game to spice up my conversation. Here are some notes I took.

Socioeconomic Factors

The young woman, let’s call her Naomi, is attending a large university in the US Capital, pursuing a degree in a non-STEM field. Her parents, upper-middle-class residents of a suburb of a major American city, are in the unfortunate spot of having spent a LOT on a house a few years back, in an area where the property taxes exceed the average annual household income for an American. They cannot sell, as the house is now a white elephant, and they cannot give much financial support to Naomi as she pursues her studies.

Naomi already owes over $50,000 in student loans (I visibly winced when she told me the number. In future years, this number will compete with THE number in making women unmarriageable.). She has come to realize that the higher-ed system is (or can be, and USUALLY is) a scam. She is visibly angry about this, and knows she will be unlikely to get any employment to pay off the loans. (I suggested she move to a foreign country where she has, because of ancestry, the right to move, and tell the creditors to go pound sand. She was intrigued that an adult was NOT trying to scam her, for once.) The palpable anger has not coalesced into any plan of action, but this has to be a constant topic of concern to young, white, college-attending women.

Sexual Factors

Naomi is not, from what I could tell, a virgin. Her partner count is low, somewhere south of 5 (and possibly only two), but her physique shows the same small lack of restraint with food that she has shown with men. She is not fat, but is not the slender, reserved young woman that her friend, who introduced me to her, is (and that woman IS a virgin, going into her senior year of college.) She travelled overseas as a part of college life, and I think had one overseas lover, and one steady college boyfriend.

On direct questioning, she admitted that she would only want to marry a college-educated man. I talked about math with her: if 60% of college attendees now are women, and 40% are men, then at least one third of college-educated women WILL NEVER find a male partner of their own status. She had never run the numbers quite like this, but her college loan burden had forced her to look at her routes out of her problem, and caused her to realize she had to keep open the possibility of marriage (to a beta sap?). This meant that she was turning AWAY from going on the carousel full time, as she realized that that would make her unmarriageable. Part of her anger at the University System stemmed from her MMV-lowering activities fueled by that in-loco-parentis-avoiding institution; she KNOWS at a base level that her friend, a pretty, slim, virgin, “sells” at a higher MMV than she does. She is now determined NOT to lower her MMV any further, as far as I could tell.

The Hamster Lives!

Naomi recounted the tale of her visit to a northern German city. She did not like it; she found it “cold.” When I pressed her on the subject, she said it was because she and some other attractive women had gone out to a bar in the city, and none of the German men had hit on them! Gentlemen if there was any proof needed that women dress provocatively to extract a reaction from men, this was it. After years of telling us that they did not want attention from men, when they finally got what they claimed they were asking for, they are unhappy!

Cultural Marxism

Naomi mouthed all the platitudes of feminism and cultural Marxism. This is, I believe, because she has learned to do so with the adults at the very liberal school she attends. She mentioned all the highlights of achieving the feminist merit badge. But she also knows that higher ed is a scam, and is reluctant to pursue the grad school option at the cost of many more years and MANY more dollars.

What’s interesting is what happens when a man (that would be ME) creates the shelter in which non-PC opinions can be mouthed. First I went after diversity. Within five minutes, Naomi was asking WHY, after 45 years of civil rights, we still had affirmative action. She has NO guilt about any of the past, and sees NO reason why any minority ought to get a hand up, good indication that much of the liberal program of the 60s will come to an end in the coming crisis.

I used this as my lever into asking about women getting affirmative action privilege. She not only HAD to admit that point, she willingly did so, and her support for feminism then showed as a mile wide, and an inch deep. She recognizes that it is a bad deal, and has caused too many young women to lack access to the one choice that many of them want, a husband and children.

Societal Observations

At one point in the conversation before I paired off with Naomi, an older feminist mentioned something about misogyny in Muslim societies (I consider Muslims to be potential Patriactionaries, but my colleagues often demur.) I rather angrily responded with the line of argument that just WALLOPED me when dropped on me by a Muslim colleague: what could be more anti-woman than a society that forces women to work and school during their young, fertile years, and denies too many of them of the pleasures of life from times immemorial for women: husband and family. The older feminist and I will revisit this line of argument at some point.

What was interesting was Naomi’s much later observation on a Muslim country not known for fanaticism. She mentioned how, while the men were nominally in charge in that country due to Islam, ALL THE POWER in the family in most cases, was held by the women. In one of her most revealing comments of the night, she said that “Western men” would never stand to be treated like that. What she means is, the young men of the West have learned not to put up with women’s crap, and 20-something women are having a much harder time controlling them than their “oppressed” grandmothers did.

In conclusion

Men are always the innovators in society. Facing a future of limited job prospects and the scorn of young women, men have learned to avoid taking on massive debt and to build a new social way of being without the NEED for women. But women actually do NEED men more than men need women; Naomi spoke highly disapprovingly of women who have children out of wedlock, so she will NEED a husband if she wants to fulfill her biological imperative. Game and MGTOW have forced a change in the behavior of younger women, who now realize they are competing for a small group of high-status men. Naomi will likely return to a more religious orientation as she tries to salvage what she can of her MMV, and the 20-something men will be the heroes who rebuild a Patriactionary society.