05 Aug

I wish I could say I were colder. News from the wife is that a friend of hers, single gal in the big city, was just “celebrating” the big 4-0. Her friend broke down in tears, sobbing uncontrollably. What had hit her was the realization that she was 40, with no husband, no children, no prospects of either, and she was staring at a future of loneliness.

I wish I could tell you that an evil smile of vengeance crept across my face, and the children this woman discarded were getting their revenge upon her. That this was payback for riding the cock carousel for years, always aiming at the guys she wanted, not the guys she could get. But I cannot tell you anything other than how saddened I was at her tale, and how this sadness will rip out the hearts of so many women who did not set out to become lonely, childless spinsters, but whose families and societies removed the strictures on their behavior so that their own lack of self-control was left unbounded. This will be the ongoing social disaster of coming years.

In discussing this woman, I am insistent upon her becoming an object lesson to my wife, and especially for my wife to tell the beautiful, smart, virgin young women close to her about what happens to carousel riders. Life is a coin you may spend any way you like, but you may only spend it once. This woman spent it on an amusement park ride. Now the park is closing, she has been thrown off the ride, and faces 45 years of solitude.


Posted by on August 5, 2012 in Uncategorized


38 responses to “Payback

  1. Will S.

    August 5, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Indeed, it is proper to not gloat, but rather mourn what we have lost, as a society, and feel sorry for those who have made poor decisions – and try to help others not make such poor decisions, by pointing to unfortunate examples, that at least others might learn something from them.

    Sometimes, schadenfreude is tempting, but we Christians do generally know better than that.

  2. Friendzone

    August 5, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Fuck that. I don’t even know this woman and I’m pissing myself laughing at her. Fuck her.

  3. Carnivore

    August 5, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Yes, BUT, isn’t the real question ‘Has she changed?’ Is SHE waking up young women and telling them not to make the same mistake? Or, once the sobbing stopped and the tears dried, is she going back to ‘It’s all men’s fault’?

  4. electricangel1978

    August 5, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Will, I think it’s rather something else. I am not gloating because this woman IS being punished for the bad choices she made. She is in a hell of her own making. She threw away two children who could at least have been SOME comfort in old age, and she cannot get the alphas to commit.

    She is a living example of the misery that awaits the carousel riders. I hope for her soul’s sake she seeks absolution for the crimes crying out to heaven that she committed.

  5. electricangel1978

    August 5, 2012 at 4:54 pm


    Yeah, I thought I’d have that reaction. I do when it’s anonymous or unknown-to-me columnists writing about “Why aren’t there any good men?” (And, as GBFM would add, why is my butt sore?) But in person, I can only see the tremendous waste of human potential and life. And I can only multiply it across the millions of women who have thrown away what was actually good for them on a chimera. Women spend half their lives infertile. They are selected by evolution for the role of grandmother. These women will live out of accord with that role.


    Yes, that is her one mission going forward. Tell those nieces whose party she went to, “Do as I say, not as I did.” I think the splat against the wall has stunned her; will she give up the pretty lies? My guess: highly doubtful. She will probably go to her grave clinging to delusions.

    I don’t care that much if she does. But I will use her with my own wife to use her as an example to the young women who have not yet made these errors.

  6. Will S.

    August 5, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    @ EA: “I am not gloating because this woman IS being punished for the bad choices she made. She is in a hell of her own making. She threw away two children who could at least have been SOME comfort in old age, and she cannot get the alphas to commit.”

    Well, yes, indeed; she’s in a hell of her own making, indeed. She made her bed, now she gets to live in it.

    “She is a living example of the misery that awaits the carousel riders. I hope for her soul’s sake she seeks absolution for the crimes crying out to heaven that she committed.”


  7. BlackCat

    August 5, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    I propose a simple litmus test to determine whether she should be pitied or openly scorned:

    Send a younger, empowered (feminist-minded) grrrrl her way for advice. If she tells the younger woman the truth and warns her what awaits, then give her pity and support in becoming the object lesson that the younger generations need. But if she puts on a brave facade and lies about how she really doesn’t need a man anyway, etc., then to hell with her. She made her lonely, empty bed and can lie in it.

  8. tspoon

    August 5, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    My ex is closing on 50, in the same situation. Recently become single, she now prefers to try to live vicariously through our 13 year old daughter, whom she is actively grooming to become a younger version of herself, simultaneously tightening her grip on the financial benefits of being the custodial parent, as she knows I won’t countenance this situation under my roof. 13. Words cannot express the disgust I feel due to this situation.

    I’m not really sorry for your 40 year old acquantance. She lived like a superstar for 20 years, now it’s over. By way of contrast, for many males, by the time they can attract female attention, they no longer care. The best years of their lives are not of the standards that hers were.

  9. sunshinemary

    August 5, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    I have been thinking about this subject today because someone posted a link to a site for childless older women at Dalrock. In reading through it, there seemed to be no ability among the women to take any responsibility for their predicament, nor did they seem to have drawn the obvious conclusion that their lives are empty because of their decision to be careerists or try too late in life to conceive children. Their conclusions instead were that society needs to adapt itself to affirm them in their childlessness so they don’t feel so bad about it, and also society needs to figure out who is going to take care of them when they are old. Another common conclusion stated there is that those of us who are mothers and are home with our children aren’t really that happy anyway, we are probably just faking being happy about it because we don’t have all their fabulous choices.

    We need not mock such women, but we need to hold up their tales as cautionary examples to other young women. The older women themselves cannot face that their lives should serve as an example of what not to do, and they will rationalize it forever.

  10. electricangel1978

    August 5, 2012 at 11:40 pm


    I don’t really have the access needed to use her in that way. But I am using her as a vector to drop comments to my wife about the dangers of the carousel. Next is the overt suggestion that she talk to some young women about this friend specifically. She won’t suggest she doesn’t need a man: she desperately wants one, but cannot get the one she wants. She is NOT a HB8; I would guess she only ever hit 5 or 6 in the bloom of her youth. A functional society would have steered her into virginal marriage to a 5 or 6; she’d be a grandmother soon in that case. She clearly does not have the self-control to have brought this result herself.

    That’s disgusting. Simply disgusting. You have to get the girl away from that poison any way you can. Find a PUA to pick her up, bang her, and then come on to the girl. Have the girl report him, and get her declared an unfit mother. She clearly is.

    As I mentioned above, she was never a superstar. She makes about 80K, has little savings, and so forth. She could have made a good wife at one point. Now she just makes a bad example.

    Yes, those who did not prioritize children will have their genetic tendencies to that behavior removed from the gene pool. Women do not have the sexual options that men do, and not letting them know this early and often is crushing.

    But they must be pointed to, and shown as examples. I understand people who will laugh at and mock them; I thought I would. It’s just the enormity of a waste of a life, and the lives she threw away, and the realization that this is just the tip of huge iceberg that has gripped me.

  11. Gerry T. Neal

    August 6, 2012 at 12:31 am

    Several years ago, Germaine Greer, the 1970’s feminist guru, underwent a similar experience to that of electricangel’s wife’s friend. If schadenfreude is ever an appropriate response to this sort of thing, it would be in the case of someone like Greer who did not just ruin her own life but was responsible for peddling this poison to countless numbers of other women. For most of those women who have been left bitter, childless, husbandless, and alone, because they believed the lies of feminism, the only appropriate response is pity. It is no different from any other modern deception. Reserve your anger for those spreading the lies, not those being duped by them..

  12. David Collard

    August 6, 2012 at 12:44 am

    Greer at least has real fame. Most of her epigones and followers have not even that comfort.

  13. deti

    August 6, 2012 at 8:45 am

    I do have some sympathy for your wife’s friend, because no one told her to look far enough down the road she was traveling. But the bottom line is that she chose her life. She must now walk out the consequences. Hopefully she will be able to find a man willing to marry her, if she is attractive enough. Children are most likely out of the question.

  14. deti

    August 6, 2012 at 9:23 am

    this has probably been said somewhere else by someone more articulate than I. But let me say this:

    What has happened over the last 40 years or so is that women of your wife’s friend’s age were raised in households where the girls were not encouraged to save themselves for marriage. Or if there was good parenting going on, they missed something — something happened to the girls and the parents didn’t see it or couldn’t see it. Or they chose to ignore it, hoping the problem would self-correct.

    And so the girls grew into women, receiving friends’ affirmation and men’s attention. The only positive attention they get from anyone relates to their looks. They aren’t encouraged to marry because, well, the parents are divorced themselves, or the parents don’t know what to do, or their mothers never taught their daughters what kind of men to seek for marriage, or their mothers married and divorced bad boy thugs themselves; or the daughters simply stopped listening. These girls – now young women – want sex with hot alpha men. No one is telling them not to do it. In fact, everything around them – culture, their friends, media – encourages them and goads them on. There are no immediate adverse consequences. Unwanted pregnancy can be easily avoided through hormonal birth control; STD risk greatly reduced through condoms. Birth control is cheap, safe, effective, widely available, and can be purchased on the downlow.

    Since the only attention they get is for their looks and no one is telling them what to do with that, these girls happily hop onto the carousel. Their feral sexuality unleashed, they get what they want — sex with the hottest alphas they can find. After using, and being used by, the hottest men, time continues to march on and gets away from them, until it’s too late. For most, their looks would have been good enough to secure a faithful husband in their early 20s. At 30 or 35, their looks are mostly gone, they are aging quickly, they are feeling aches and pains, and they are slowly putting on weight. Most women have hit The Wall by this time. Nearly all have hit The Wall by 40.

    The sad part of all this is that these women’s parents, friends and relatives are doing them a terrible disservice by failing to tell them of the future. But, these girls could also see their futures by looking no further than at their own mothers.

  15. electricangel1978

    August 6, 2012 at 11:34 am


    For most of those women who have been left bitter, childless, husbandless, and alone, because they believed the lies of feminism, the only appropriate response is pity. It is no different from any other modern deception. Reserve your anger for those spreading the lies, not those being duped by them.

    I think you have captured my difficulty. This woman was not a leader in destroying the traditional life for women, but she was most definitely a follower. I think that’s why I can laugh at the columnists who laugh at marriage and then get dumped by boyfriends, and then miss being married.

    She is to be pitied, but the one thing I will not do, and I will not allow my wife to do, is coddle her. She has made her bed, and she cannot pretend that she hasn’t. Now my wife’s job is twofold: get her to accept what she can get in the SMV/MMV now (which might be nothing), and speak of her example to the young women she knows.

    I do not feel guilty at all about using this woman’s example to drop pellets of manosphere logic on my wife. It has the side benefit of my wife starting to ask me (because she’s asking herself) “What do I do to bring value to the relatinship?” It is a good thing.

  16. electricangel1978

    August 6, 2012 at 11:47 am


    Comes from a traditional family where father and mother are still married, and they honor old country traditions. You can be pretty sure her mother’s count is 1 or VERY close to it.

    I don’t think the problem arises with the family, except in this: as immigrants, they had that deluded immigrant idea to surrender the traditions that made them a family in the old country and try to meld into the traditions of the new country. However, you cannot mate with a corpse, and that is what was tried here: living flesh was given over to a culture that had embraced what Pope JP2 called “the cult of death.” Recall that this girl (since she will never mature into a woman) was born one year before the US unleashed the shackles on the over-50MM-unborn holocaust (which I mean in the sense of all-consuming fire [see the Cider House Rules for what happened to some tiny corpes back in the day]) that has continued to this day.

    Look, I follow the logic of the Fourth Turning. Children of the X generation (one third of whom were aborted, with the deadliest year being 1981, the last year of X) were underprotected; I think this is due to their parents being overprotected late Silents and early Boomers, and not knowing HOW MUCH work is really required to successfully raise a child. This underprotection went on in a number of areas. I am a Catholic, and went to Catholic schools. I did learn the Rosary from some nuns in grammar school, but I do not recall EVER learning the Catechism. The Church, the society, the families: all figured that children just GROW. And grow they did, like weeds.

    The result is crying, childless, lonely 40-year-old women. This woman can cook, and maybe she could care for a man, if her ability to bond isn’t destroyed by her being an “alpha widow,” where one Alpha leaves her completely unable to bond with any subsequent man. But she has thrown away children, literally, and the chance at family life. I keep asking my wife “What does she have to offer a man?” There is literally only ONE thing a woman can offer a man right now that he cannot obtain more easily and cheaply (when the costs of divorce are counted) in the market, and that is his own children. (Even that is probably cheaper with Indian surrogates, as those children cannot be used as leverage to extract chilimony.) She does not have that card to play; as Gerry wrote, she is to be pitied.

  17. deti

    August 6, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Every man should ask himself about every woman he considers a romantic or spousal candidate:

    What does she have to offer me?
    Why should I invest in her?
    Why should I expend time, money and/or resources on this woman?

  18. David Collard

    August 6, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Be her alpha. Be her first. Make her your wife.

  19. electricangel1978

    August 6, 2012 at 5:29 pm


    Be her alpha. Be her first. Make her your wife.
    This is the inescapable logic of chastity, and female virginity at marriage. A society ignores it at its own peril.

  20. Take The Red Pill

    August 9, 2012 at 11:34 am

    I have NO sympathy for this woman whatsoever. Just like most Modern Women, she bought into the feminist deception with eyes wide open with never a thought about the future. Well the future has arrived and it looks a lot like a cold, lonely one for her – just like the cold, lonely youth and young adulthood that MOST men have had and continue to have.

    Karma has come due, and the bicycles have realized that they don’t need fish, either.

    When women like her are young, they treat decent men abominably – being as cruel and sadistic as they can be when rejecting an ‘unwanted’ man’s advances – simultaneously, they enjoy being ‘free whores’ for every player, dirtbag, and Alpha thug who crosses their path; then when they reach their thirties and are little more than ugly, repellent, diseased trollops (often with some thug’s illegitimate spawn or two in tow), they complain about ‘the lack of good men’.

    For all of their chattering and bragging about how much more intelligent, smart, and intuitive they are than men, why is it that Modern Women need over ten years to finally realize that treating ‘good men’ like crap is really not a wise nor effective mating strategy?

  21. Will S.

    August 9, 2012 at 11:48 am

    @ Take the Red Pill: looks like you accidentally put our address instead of yours, in your name above; what is your blog URL?

  22. Aurini

    August 9, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    There are degrees of Alpha Widow; not all of them were cruel and sadistic in their heydays.

    A good friend of mine, nearing the age of your friend, recently made a half-assed suicide attempt because of the very same situation. Did she ride the carousel? Somewhat. But she’s also a loving, kind, and supportive person. Too nice for her own good at times. But nobody ever gave her the straight story.

    When the propagators of the virus burn, things are right in the world. But the misery of the carriers will never be a source of joy for me.

    You nailed it; what a sad waste of human life.

  23. electricangel1978

    August 16, 2012 at 9:54 am


    Been away for a while. I have to second this thought: “When the propagators of the virus burn, things are right in the world. But the misery of the carriers will never be a source of joy for me.”

    I expected to laugh at all of them. I can only laugh at the ones who propagated this nonsense and are now suffering from it. The herd-following women? Their suffering will be payback enough; my mockery or scorn is not needed.

  24. Will S.

    August 17, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Oh noes; Manboobz has attacked us!


    However can we go on? 🙂

  25. CL

    August 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    @ sunshinemary

    The older women themselves cannot face that their lives should serve as an example of what not to do, and they will rationalize it forever.

    This is almost the worst part – they will encourage other young women to follow suit. We’ve all seen the “I regret my abortion but I wouldn’t advise young women not to have an abortion” type articles. What is the point in a life if it is of no benefit to others? It’s sad when people have to drag others down to their level rather than trying to lift others up even if it means using one’s self as an example of what not to do. At least in the latter case there is some redemption.

  26. Manboobz is a loser

    August 17, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    My ex is like this. Was with her for 7 years or so. Because I wasn’t ready and still establishing myself at 29-32 years old for children, she dumped me. Fast forward about a decade now, and she is a fat, 36 year old soon to be spinster, no husband, no prospects, and complains how she can’t attract a man now. Um, you did this to yourself. She’s been so brutally mean to me over the years, that I feel a certain amount of schadenfreude for her. She’s mean spirited and bitchy. She has nothing but contempt for me because whilst she remains childless and embittered, I have a beautiful child of my own and date younger women, older women, and women my own age. The tables indeed do turn.

  27. Manboobz is a loser

    August 17, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Oh, and I would like to thank Manboobz for leading me to this fine blog – I’ve discovered more great MRM sites over the last several months because of him. Excellent stuff.

  28. Will S.

    August 17, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Welcome, MIAL. Cheers.

  29. electricangel1978

    August 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm


    Thanks for the compliment. If you want a great survey of the aphoristic wisdom of the manosphere, I would suggest this article. Follow a few of the links back to original stories as well.

    Many of the quips in that post provide great answers to Manboobz.

  30. Manboobz is a loser

    August 17, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Thanks ea, this is one of the better blogs in the manosphere, I’d never even heard of it for some reason. Manboobz is doing a fine job spreading the word for us all!

  31. sunshinemary

    August 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Congratulations, Will S. and EA! When Manboobz comes after you, you *know* that you have been doing the Lord’s work!

  32. Will S.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Ha! Thanks Sunshine!

  33. Will S.

    August 19, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Hey, we got some hate mail:


    Submitted on 2012/08/19 at 10:13 am

    You KKristians are some truly sick, pompous, judgemental fucks…No wonder your brand of KKKristianity is dwindling by the day…

    [EA: Thanks, Len, for making me blessed: ]
    [EA: Oh, and another thing, “Len:” I remind you that a shorthand for what KKK used to stand for was their targets: “Koons, Kikes, and Katlickers.” I’d proudly stand with either of the first two groups against them, but I am a Papist and member of the third. By insinuating that I had anything to do with the KKK, you have, I believe, committed a hate crime against me. Where do I send the FBI?]

    And you’re not judgmental of us, Len? Pot calling the kettle black…

    BTW, Christianity isn’t dwindling (it’s mostly the mainline, liberal churches which are dying out; evangelical churches (with which we have some issues, but nevertheless recognize as Christian churches) are still thriving fairly well, and traditionalist confessing Protestant, Roman Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox are holding on just fine, thank you; even growing, in fact). It’s very much alive, and growing rapidly in parts of the world like Africa and China where it has never been strong before – and where people don’t smear it as being akin to the KKK, either.

    You lose.

  34. Will S.

    August 19, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Another idiot:


    Submitted on 2012/08/19 at 11:17 am

    I know why I’ve never heard of this site before. It’s made up entirely of men who HATE women. To take pleasure in someone else’s temporary misery is so hateful and unchristian like

    [EA: Rats! It’s taken years for us to swell our hate in secret! Now that you’ve found us, we’re just going to have to yield to your acute insight and run off with our (small) tails between our legs.

    Remember: the future belongs to those who show up for it, and that’s not the children of radical secularists who throw the word “hate” around like it’ll scare us. I’m sure feminists COULD have the same fertility rate as the Amish (6.x children per woman), but that would require not throwing five of them down the suction tube. YMMV.]

    Which is a complete misrepresentation of ElectricAngel and my attitudes, as any fair-minded reader of EA’s post above and my comments can tell; also, one could view all the posts on here by any of us Patriactionaries, past and present, scanning them for evidence of hatred of women, entirely in vain: there isn’t a single post on here expressing hatred of women. None. We don’t hate women; we hate feminism. Big difference, lost on axe-grinding leftist ideologues, though…

    Okay, unless you Manboobz fans come up with something novel, not only are we not going to let any of your diatribes through, but we won’t be bothering to quote you just to rip you apart for sport; frankly, you’re boring. Come up with something original, for Pete’s sakes, other than the typical “You’re all women-hating mama’s boys small-penised gay losers playing video games in your mom’s basements, no wonder you don’t have girlfriends, wives”, etc.

    But, go ahead and try to post your hate mail; drive up our hit counts; see if we care.


  35. Chiming In

    August 23, 2012 at 6:36 am

    It seems odd to me that you’re all welcoming Manboobz is a Loser with such open arms. [EA It sounds like his ex wanted to marry him and have children when he was in his twenties. He “wasn’t ready,” so she let him go, ostensibly to pursue someone who was. It seems he is now unmarried with a child and sleeping with multiple women. Sounds like someone who really subscribes to the traditional Christian values of this blog! [EA Better you should cite MiaL’s lack of patriarchal approach. We do not expect everyone who sits down with us to be perfect; we’d even invite in the odd tax collector, like Matthew. Don’t worry your precious heart over the thought that MiaL is going to convince US to father a child out of wedlock and flit from woman to woman in our 30s. But it’s sweet of you to do so.]

    Until the traditionalist arm of the Manosphere stops embracing the PUA element so readily (Dalrock is one of the chief offenders here), I’ll find it very hard to take seriously. [EA: Will you stamp your feet?]The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
    [EA: We are aware of that, and it is good of you to point it out. But this over-centralized system that is frankly parasitic on the faithful who DO produce enough children to feed into its maw has to end. We do not support PUA-style tactics, but we do understand that they are making the cost of sexual libertinism too high for women. Tax something, and you get less of it. As the oversized government runs out of sources of wealth to easily tax, it gets more oppressive (look for a coming persecution) then it collapses. We’re focused on building the micro-societies that will take over after that collapse. Welcome to the effort.]


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