Around these parts of the net, the term “Christian” seems to be used rather lightly. Instead of being used to denote those of the Faith, it’s more often used as a way to be self-righteous even when the user of the word is anything but Christian.
Now, I’m not saying that I’ve never committed unChristian behavior. I’ve just not had the audacity or the gall to conflate my poor behavior with that of Christ. I’m not deluded or arrogant.
Another case of this will be where bloggers will actually think that their blogs are actually important in the grand scheme of things; they write one blog post that gets a few hits and now they think that they’re the next Thomas Fleming or Pat Buchanan, hah!
Patriactionary 
chris
May 26, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Agree.
The church is not full of people who are perfect. It is full of very imperfect people. Me included.
And being told by the outside what is “Christian” when they mean “an inoffensive wimp” is irritating, to say the least. Our Lord once whipped a bunch of banksters out of the temple. We are supposed to be like him.
Svar
May 26, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Thanks, Chris. I was referring to the recent bout of twatery that has been going on lately. We have one site that is completely edited by a bunch of good-for-nothing, two-faced, and stupidly arrogant twit-twats who apparently think that they have a ministry and we have another that’s edited by one really bitter twit-twat who gives out relationship advice even though her marriage failed. Hahaha! Fucking hilarious. I do wonder when the editors of these sites will realize that their endeavors are completely worthless.
“And being told by the outside what is “Christian” when they mean “an inoffensive wimp” is irritating, to say the least. Our Lord once whipped a bunch of banksters out of the temple. We are supposed to be like him”
Indeed. There are these little pansies out there who can’t take what they dish out and so they fall back on that little spiel that you just described. Amusing.
Sis
May 26, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Hoping you’re okay again soon.
katmandutu
May 26, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Very perceptive post, Svar.
“Another case of this will be where bloggers will actually think that their blogs are actually important in the grand scheme of things; they write one blog post that gets a few hits and now they think that they’re the next Thomas Fleming or Pat Buchanan, hah!”
Certainly, much vanity, self absorption, and lack of ANY real introspection are evident ‘around the traps’ in the blogosphere..
Much attention whoring , and jockeying for blog hits and ‘a place in the sun.’ on the interwebz. 😀
Generally, I prefer blogs edited by men ( like this one) I find them more interesting.
Men are more logical and are less swayed by emotion. They can detach themselves from a personal situation, analyze it and work out where things have gone wrong, and solve the problem.
They move on, too.
Women are less detached, more emotional, and not usually pragmatic. They will rehash the same things over and over.. (I include myself here as I am a woman.)
On this blog, if the women get out of hand, the men firmly step in and tell them to STFU.. And they DO! (me included!)
Women sometimes just need to be told these things, by men, in order to move on. 😉
Women are followers, not leaders, like men.
Svar
May 26, 2012 at 11:31 pm
@ Sis
Thanks for your concern, Sis. I really do appreciate it.
will
May 27, 2012 at 12:03 am
@Svar
May the lord bring you a speedy recovery
Svar
May 27, 2012 at 12:05 am
“Certainly, much vanity, self absorption, and lack of ANY real introspection are evident ‘around the traps’ in the blogosphere.. ”
Indeed. There are a bunch of two cent bloggers out there with no real insights who delude themselves into that they’re actually doing something important when in fact, they’re just whoring for attention or making themselves look like complete and utter cunts. Look, I have no such delusions: I know that I’m just an 18 year old guy and I just go out and try to find something interesting to share with our readers. Either that, or I just shoot the breeze and have a few laughs. I don’t delude myself into thinking that I’m sort of Crusader.
“Much attention whoring , and jockeying for blog hits and ‘a place in the sun.’ on the interwebz. :)”
That’s basically what most of it is. Not saying anything important or meaningful, but just finding creative new ways to get hits. What I’ve learned from a few sites is that the best way to do that is by making a complete and utter cunt out of yourself.
I don’t feel the need to resort to that.
Svar
May 27, 2012 at 12:08 am
Thank you, will. I hope that He does.
Laceagate
May 27, 2012 at 1:52 am
Honestly, you’re no better yourself. Here you are writing a post on the self-righteous and yet you cannot wash your hands of it either. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror before writing about others using colorful language.
I only speak for myself but don’t worry, I’ll do you the favor of not coming here again.
Chris
May 27, 2012 at 3:04 am
Svar, hope you get better ASAP.
General comment. I like the people here, and get on OK the people Svar mentioned. Most of the time we are all fighting for the same things.
But when we get on our little holy horses it looks ugly. The only good thing one thread was that a certain person made it into a Barbie Cartoon.
None of us are holy. It is easy to hurt another (hell, I am as guilty of that as the next man) by email etc. This infighting, however, leads to us not having our brothers at our back.
As his Imperial Horror Misha I said recently.
Let’s get down from our tottering pedestals, and instead cover each other’s back.
will
May 27, 2012 at 3:55 am
Debate has a place though. But that will just clog up the comment thread. To seek to truth is to find it and be always ready to concede your point. Ad hominems should be avoided however. Character attacks get us nowhere.
Chris
May 27, 2012 at 4:08 am
Will, as you said at my place and I will say here… yes we should debate. We will debate. But keeping it away from personalities is where it is at. To quote you nihil ad hominem
will
May 27, 2012 at 6:15 am
Just reaching a wider audience Chris.
Svar
May 27, 2012 at 9:01 am
@ Lacey
“Honestly, you’re no better yourself. Here you are writing a post on the self-righteous and yet you cannot wash your hands of it either.”
What, because you say so? Do you have anything concrete to back up that assertion? Nope, not at all. You’re just reaching trying to find something to latch on to because you’re all offended and you can’t really defend yourself from what I said.
I remember what a friend once told me about the women of a certain site: “It’s basically a bunch of liberal secular women playing “traditional Christian lady”. That doesn’t mean bad, it just means worthless commentary.” Worthless commentary, indeed.
“Maybe you should take a look in the mirror before writing about others using colorful language.”
Where in my post am I writing about others using colorful language? I read through it twice. Nowhere in the original post am I talking about the use of “colorful” language.
Reading comprehension, try it; it’s good for you. Keeps you from looking like an idiot.
“I only speak for myself but don’t worry, I’ll do you the favor of not coming here again.”
It’s not like it’ll make much of a difference. It’s not like you ever had anything important or insightful to say anyway. See ya.
Ulysses
May 27, 2012 at 10:14 am
Chris – I liked Mishas comment, the link isn’t working though, save one thing. That thing is–damn, everyone loves to shit on Episcopalians. I concede there are a lot of inattentive Christians, Episcopalians included, but motes, logs, meh I give up. Everyone needs a scapegoat I suppose.
chris
May 27, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Ulysses, I found in his thread (at Rott, copied into my post on this) a wonderful comment on this by Tallulah, an Anglican. As she says, the “bible optional” people embarrass the people in the pews. Locally, the two recently appointed bishops (Dunedin and Wellington) are both firm in their faith and not liberal.
ukfred
May 28, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Chris, I live in England but have rejected the Anglicans as a sub-Christian sect who will accept only part of the Bible. Because of this, in England, Christians on the whole have forgotten that they are meant to be good and not necessarily nice.
Will S.
May 28, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Most Anglicans in Canada are of the sadly liberal kind, but there are a few traditionalist congregations here and there, thankfully.
Will S.
May 28, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Personally speaking only for myself, I look forward to a future time when relations between as much of the various parties as possible, can return to a more friendly state, as we have previously enjoyed. I will personally miss, as I have missed, the presence of some previous commenters here at this blog, and it is my personal hope that one day, eventually, once strong feelings have cooled sufficiently, that some reconciliation can occur. Excess pride will have to be let go of, of course, for such to occur.
Elspeth
May 29, 2012 at 6:41 am
Will, I second your comment. It seems that all too often disagreement is the catalyst for an all out war, when it needn’t be the case. Disagreement is a part of life as we all have and are entitled to our own opinions.
I think we all suffer from excess pride. Heaven help us.
David Collard
May 29, 2012 at 8:28 am
Kathy, I once had a priest give a sermon, in which he said “find the place in the Church where you are comfortable”. Likewise, we can find the place in the blogosphere where we are comfortable.
Will S.
May 29, 2012 at 8:32 am
@ Elspeth: I’ve always enjoyed your comments here, I’ve always enjoyed Lacey’s, I want you two to know that.
And yes, pride is a sin I know I’m all too often guilty of, and I think it’s the most common one, one of which we’re all guilty, at one time or another.
David Collard
May 29, 2012 at 8:34 am
Kathy, you might simply be better on blogs run by men.
katmandutu
May 29, 2012 at 8:38 am
Ya dead right David. 😉
David Collard
May 29, 2012 at 8:44 am
I don’t have a dog in this fight. But, if I were you Kathy, I would hang out here, and maybe Dalrock if you are comfortable there, and behave yourself like a good girl. Then you can be part of the fun.
Svar
May 29, 2012 at 9:41 am
David, Dalrock is now just another place for MRAs to bitch. It’s not worth visiting. I know you don’t have a dog in this fight. I do. So mind your own and go back to making your haikus.
It really irks me when people pry into shit that doesn’t involve them.
Will S.
May 29, 2012 at 9:56 am
Though there are still valuable commenters like Brendan at Dalrock’s…
Svar
May 29, 2012 at 9:57 am
Will speaks for himself and only for himself. I do not know why he felt the need to copy-paste that comment on to this thread, but oh fucking well. He’s still welcome over at TC.
Terri, I’m surprised that you still read. Regardless, I have some grievances and I know for a fact that they will not be addressed, because I tried, and over at TC, the greivances of a man just don’t matter. I get it. Also, you are two-faced and passive-aggressive and I no longer trust you. You play the act of “Proper Christian Lady” but you are smug and condescending to others. I can see it; don’t think that a fucking “LOL” hides it.
There is a slight chance of reconcialition, however. Address my greivances and take them seriously or seriously, just fuck off.
Svar
May 29, 2012 at 10:01 am
“Though there are still valuable commenters like Brendan at Dalrock’s…”
Don’t really care. These are just blogs.
David Collard
May 29, 2012 at 10:11 am
Dalrock is my favourite at the moment. The only one I have nearly entirely given up on is TC, though I seem to be on the banner still.
Not only do I not have a dog in this fight, i haven’t even been following the dog fights.
Svar
May 29, 2012 at 10:12 am
Then shut up. I’m pretty sure you can tell that I’m a little pissed off, right?
I’ve given up on TC too as well.
David Collard
May 29, 2012 at 10:20 am
OK, your blog, your rules.
Adieu.
Will S.
May 29, 2012 at 10:23 am
@ David Collard: Again, speaking only for myself, you’re certainly welcome here, at least on my posts.
Ulysses
May 29, 2012 at 10:33 am
I’d like to encourage everyone to take a deep breath. Communication is primarily nonverbal. As such, many subtle cues are lost in comment threads and interpretation takes over. We all have our various online cliques and hangouts, and slightly differing allegiances and motivations, but that isn’t reason to go Bloods vs. Crips.
Svar
May 29, 2012 at 10:30 am
DC, you are still welcome as well on my part. Sorry about that. Don’t know why I lashed out on you.
David Collard
May 29, 2012 at 10:32 am
Thanks, Will. I am not the sensitive type. And I really don’t know the history to all this. Even my leaving TC was mostly because I was a bit bored with the histrionics. All these sites have their virtues.
David Collard
May 29, 2012 at 10:34 am
That’s OK, Svar. Like I said, not the sensitive type.
Svar
May 29, 2012 at 10:35 am
I’m glad that we’re still good, David. Don’t know what got into me.
Will S.
May 29, 2012 at 10:37 am
@ Ulysses: Hear, hear!
Elspeth
May 29, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Terri, I’m surprised that you still read. Regardless, I have some grievances and I know for a fact that they will not be addressed, because I tried, and over at TC, the greivances of a man just don’t matter. I get it. Also, you are two-faced and passive-aggressive and I no longer trust you. You play the act of “Proper Christian Lady” but you are smug and condescending to others. I can see it; don’t think that a fucking “LOL” hides it.
I am truly unclear on what your grievances are, Svar. I know we have a difference of opinion on a few peripheral issues, but cannot fathom what has happened to create this level of hostility. If you are willing to try again to make it clear to me (here or via email) I will see if I can address your grievances, or even if it is possible for me to address them to your satisfaction.
If I am two-faced, passive-agressive, smug, and condescending in your opinion, I don’t know that anything I say will be accepted at face value, but in the spirit of addressing any grievances you have against me the way Scripture says I should, I’m willing to try.
Elspeth
May 29, 2012 at 3:09 pm
I will add this one thing: If by “grievances” you mean 100% agreement on issues, or not behaving like women on a blog run by women, we will remain at an impasse. This will not be possible to overcome.
I am only still reading this relevant thread in particular, not the blog in general. I know that Will is trying hard to keep the peace, but sometimes a peace cannot be brokered. I accept that reality, and know that sometimes things work out that way. What I cannot understand is why a parting of ways cannot be amicable, especially when there has been no specific betrayal.
Chris
May 30, 2012 at 2:19 am
I agree with what both Will S and Ulysses said.
The fact is that we will argue. We are going to disagree about a whole pile of things. But I hope we will agree about more. I (personally) miss Svar being rude to trolls at the old TradCath site, and miss Alte in full snark on the manosphere.
Today’s lectionary included the part of Galatians where Paul called Peter to account. Now, if the two greatest apostles ended up fighting, what hope to we have?
When you are face to face you can read the other person’s reactions and choose one’s words carefully, getting your point across without either of you being bruised. It is much, much harder to do this over the intertubes. (Paul was told he was harsh in his letters and gentle when he was with people. He prayed and confronted in tears — as Schaeffer (who was seen as a religious right / calvinist theonomist of the harshest sort) advocated and practiced)
My only suggestion is that we recall, as Elspeth said today, that we all need to examine ourselves and compare ourselves with God’s standards, not the current (relative) standards of the world.
Svar
May 30, 2012 at 8:29 am
Thank you, Terri. I appreciate you trying to reach out. I’m much calmer now and I’ve had time to think and cool down and I have decided that I will take you up on your offer and reconcile.
However, I’m going to take a week-long break from all of this. After that week, I’ll send you an email.
Thank you, once again.
Sis
May 30, 2012 at 11:33 am
🙂