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In a sane, civilized country he’d be charged with murder, not manslaughter

12 May
The idea that a slur should make you so mad you lose control and attack someone, causing their death, is absurd.

We used to say “sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me”, but apparently we don’t uphold that as something to strive for. (I know, slurs do cause emotional pain. But you should strive to not let them hurt you, but dismiss them and the person who hurls them at you, considering the source.)

There have of course been many actual cases of outright murder, through stabbing or shooting, as well as beating like this, in response to be called that word.

People act as if that word is a magic incantation that causes those so called to lose all control of themselves and lash out violently at those who say it.

No word has that power, unless one lets it.

In which case, the problem is with that person, more than the one who insulted them.

 

37 responses to “In a sane, civilized country he’d be charged with murder, not manslaughter

  1. Will S.

    May 12, 2021 at 3:15 pm

    Which is why the punishment for killing someone in such an overreaction should always be murder; such would give would-be thugs pause before overreacting violently.

    What about calling someone a name back?

    Or just “Fuck you!” and walking away.

     
    • Will S.

      May 12, 2021 at 3:37 pm

      Or, “Aw; bless your heart!”, smile, and walk away. 😉

       
  2. Will S.

    May 12, 2021 at 3:37 pm

    Heh; he could be a Hispanic mulatto like a Dominican, and outraged at the suggestion.

    No-one is more racially conscious than them. 😉

     
  3. Will S.

    May 12, 2021 at 3:43 pm

     
  4. elspeth

    May 12, 2021 at 3:50 pm

    This idea; that calling someone a *nigg_r* justifies whatever they have coming to them is preposterous.

    There is no excuse fora 22-year-old man to violently attack a 70+ year old man.

     
    • Will S.

      May 12, 2021 at 3:54 pm

      Exactly, elspeth!

       
    • Will S.

      May 12, 2021 at 3:55 pm

      But, in an era where the Burning Looting Murdering / Bloody Lying Marxists / Buying Large Mansions rule, alas, there are all too many who agree with that murderous thug’s actions.

       
    • cameron232

      May 12, 2021 at 4:19 pm

      It was very stupid for a 77 year old white guy to call a27 year old black male that. And the young guy was working a humiliating job as it is. Yeah no bueno punching an old man I get that.

       
      • elspeth

        May 12, 2021 at 4:22 pm

        I agree, Cameron, that what the old man did was extremely dangerous and stupid.

        Either he’s been living under a rock for the past 50 years, or some serious cognitive decline was kicking in. It’s the only thing that explains why he didn’t know better.

         
      • Will S.

        May 12, 2021 at 4:23 pm

        Yes, but he shouldn’t have paid with his life, as we all agree.

         
      • Will S.

        May 12, 2021 at 4:25 pm

        Elspeth, you raise an important point: senile dementia can cause old people to regress, forget things, lose control of their tongues, etc.

        Another reason why a young person should be more forgiving of an old fart.

         
      • cameron232

        May 12, 2021 at 5:38 pm

        I think it’s the high level of current white-black, black-white anger Elspeth, not senility. The media bear quite a bit of responsibility for this.

         
      • feeriker

        May 12, 2021 at 8:45 pm

        And the young guy was working a humiliating job as it is.

        Maybe he wasn’t actually “working,” and that’s what got the old man upset. There are too many Millennials and Gen-Zs today (of every race, ethnicity, and sex) who think that they deserve a paycheck just for existing and shouldn’t be required to do any work to earn it. Add race, sex, ethnicity, and other “protected class” factors to the mix, and many get the attitude that they’re “bullet-proof” and beyond accountability for their behavior (and all too often, they are).

        No, this doesn’t justify the older man using the “n-word,” but I also have to wonder how much the younger man’s behavior (lack of professionalism, or outright disrespect) prompted the label. It has long been well-known how draconian the blowback is for using the “n-word,” and this has been true for a couple of generations or more, even in the Deep South. If this older man was angry enough to risk assault (or worse) by using the label, he must have had EXTRAORDINARILY strong motivation to do so.

         
      • cameron232

        May 13, 2021 at 6:14 am

        Yeah that’s possible freeriker. I’m not making excuses for him – lock him up in prison.

        At the same time, our economic policies have made it harder for young men (black or white) to get decent paying MAN jobs with dignity. Dunkin Doughnuts and McDonald’s are kid jobs. When I worked crappy jobs as a kid, I worked with black men who described it that way – “this is a kids job.”

        Yes, I know they could learn to weld (or code in C++) but in reality it is beneficial for a society to have dignified unskilled or semiskilled jobs for low achieving men.

        I’m not surprised young black men are e.g. selling drugs – it beats working at McDonalds.

         
      • cameron232

        May 13, 2021 at 8:08 am

        @Elspeth, One other possibility is that the old man said something rude to him but didn’t call him the n word. I don’t know if there were witnesses to the n-word. The news stories just say the young man claimed that. There have been cases where young black men lied about the use of the n-word to justify violent acts.

        He’s being charged with “aggravated manslaughter of a person older than 65” so I assume the charges/sentencing are worse if you do this to an old person.

         
  5. electricangel

    May 12, 2021 at 4:03 pm

    “Your speech is violence; our violence is speech.” MBoI has convinced me that “free speech” is a sham.

     
  6. cameron232

    May 12, 2021 at 4:13 pm

    Yeah he should go to jail. I don’t know the law – I would assume that accidentally killing someone is manslaughter. I doubt he expected he would kill the guy.

     
    • Will S.

      May 12, 2021 at 4:23 pm

      I know he probably didn’t intend to kill him, but I don’t care; I’d punish him with murder, anyway.

      Manslaughter is too soft a charge for accidental killings where one had no reason to get so angry that one’s resulting violent actions take a life.

       
      • elspeth

        May 12, 2021 at 5:09 pm

        I agree. This old man shouldn’t have paid with his life, and this young man needs to be held accountable and do time for the life he took.

         
      • cameron232

        May 12, 2021 at 5:32 pm

        I don’t know the law but he should be charged with what he did – just how like “hate crimes” are conceptually bs.

         
      • info

        May 13, 2021 at 2:36 am

        Unless the murderer/murderess is taken to the grave. They will do it again. Likewise they are likely savages in other ways too even if they don’t murder again.

         
      • Will S.

        May 14, 2021 at 9:53 am

        Agree, info.

         
  7. E M Lowden

    May 12, 2021 at 4:22 pm

    This goes way beyond the mores of civil society. The Black and Mulatto are mines planted by our Elites to destroy anyone who interacts with them holding the assumptions of a secular society and who blasphemes the Sacred Bearers of Melanin. The Blasphemer must die, that’s what happened here.

     
    • Will S.

      May 12, 2021 at 4:26 pm

      That’s certainly how far too many are reacting, alas…

       
  8. freemattpodcast

    May 12, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    My community cant have duels but the people who want to be taken seriously cant be asked to act civilized and not go apesh*t when someone insults them?

    Yes, I have brought up the hypocrisy that someone could call a member of their community an insult/racial slur but an outsider deserves injury/death.

    If you want to be taken serious in my community, dont call anyone a racial slur as a greeting.

    (Word to my h*nkies!!)

     
  9. fuzziewuzziebear

    May 12, 2021 at 10:22 pm

    It is hard to work in small ticket, high volume retail sales. People presume they are superior when it is the worker who has to have infinite patience. Elspeth said he was 22. It’s worse, he’s 27 and he should have the requisite patience. There are degrees of murder and probably of manslaughter. The prosecutor had to choose a charge he was likely to win as a slam dunk.
    Had the young man called his boss over and let him handle this, we would not be talking. This loudmouth fully deserved the Gold 86.

     
    • Will S.

      May 13, 2021 at 12:17 am

      Gold 86?

       
      • fuzziewuzziebear

        May 13, 2021 at 1:13 am

        The term “86” is supposed to come from Arizona Territorial Law #86, but I can’t find confirmation. It is supposed to be about not providing alcohol to Indians, but it currently means someone who is trespassed. The Silver 86 would be for the day. The Gold would be forever. That would be appropriate for someone saying fighting words to an employee injudiciously.

         
      • Will S.

        May 13, 2021 at 1:33 am

        So, kicked out of the store forever, then.

        Fair ’nuff. 🙂

         
  10. Elspeth

    May 12, 2021 at 11:59 pm

    I think it’s the high level of current white-black, black-white anger Elspeth, not senility. The media bear quite a bit of responsibility for this.

    I’m not sure I believe that, Cameron. I just don’t see it in my vicinity. I recognize that my social circle is pretty self-selected but let me give you an example.

    We recently went to a graduation party for a family friend at a local restaurant. There were plenty of people/parties/groups of people just like us: different races of people eating together, listening to and dancing to the live music. To be fair, many of those people were younger (though not all), and young people of all races are a fair bet to be fellow wokesters. But I have another.

    A friend of my husband (a middle aged guy so white he’d blend in to a sheet), recently had a delightful exchange with a couple of black women, strangers that he didn’t know, visiting here from points north (but still the south). They were so overwhelmed with his kindness that they insisted on paying him or doing something nice for him even though he was more than happy to do them the kindness of helping them with their car trouble. They went away, and came back with several cold drinks for him to choose from when they could have just went on their way.

    That’s kind of the world I see around me on a regular basis.

    I believe that there is a certain amount of anger brewing. I don’t doubt it for a minute, and I think things will get ugly at some point in areas where there is a significant “ghetto” contingent near more suburban areas.

    But it is totally within the realm of possibility that this nearly 80-year-old man wasn’t clicking on all cylinders. I say that because he didn’t recognize what was clearly a threatening situation, whether he hates black people or not..

     
    • fuzziewuzziebear

      May 13, 2021 at 1:21 am

      I don’t know if you have noticed it, but there are a significant minority of people out there who feel it is all right to abuse the good will of people working hand to mouth jobs. There are a lot of videos on Youtube about fast food locations that confirm this.

       
    • cameron232

      May 13, 2021 at 6:09 am

      I don’t mean that most blacks and most whites are on the border of murdering each other. I would say there’s a significant minority (no idea what %, maybe it’s 1/10) that intensely dislikes each other and we have the media at least partly to blame for this. And Obama the great racial healer didn’t help things – seemed to get worse under him.

      I went to ~40% black schools in the 80s and we had virtually zero race-violence problems. Every fistfight I got into in school was with whitetrash boys – got along great with the black boys.

       
      • info

        May 14, 2021 at 3:18 am

        Those Blacks ought to band together against the minority stirring up racial conflict. And if necessary take them out themselves.

         
  11. info

    May 13, 2021 at 2:34 am

    As long as evil exists. Civilization will always require organized violence.

    They are either good at organized violence and in applying it justly and with wisdom or they will cease to be civilization.

    Alongside being a subject of God of course.

     

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