Good news from Poland, it appears

13 Jul


Posted by on July 13, 2020 in good news, government, The Kulturkampf


9 responses to “Good news from Poland, it appears

  1. Will S.

    July 13, 2020 at 12:40 pm

  2. Will S.

    July 13, 2020 at 12:41 pm

  3. fuzziewuzziebear

    July 13, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    I double checked and made sure that the nationalist incumbent had won.

  4. electricangel

    July 13, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    “It’s over. Our guy won!”

    It’s never “over” with the Left. Not until they are so utterly crushed under foot that the idea of challenging again puts them in fear. Recall all the plebiscites on issues opposed to the EU that were voted AGAIN and AGAIN until the people did what the elites wanted.

    • Will S.

      July 13, 2020 at 3:11 pm

      Hence my qualifier.

    • Dave

      July 13, 2020 at 4:17 pm

      With almost 49 percent of the vote, the leftists didn’t fall far short of victory. Every social system has millions of losers and thousands of aspiring Lenins working to cobble those losers together into a fifty-one percent coalition, and nothing short of a Suharto can stop them.

  5. Will S.

    July 13, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    Further to Dave’s point, a Pole gives his thoughts:

    We now have the official results: Duda received 51,2% of votes, Trzaskowski – 48,8%. As we see, Duda’s victory is not a decisive one.

    The reasons for this are numerous. First of all, Duda won only among 50+ voters (as exit-poll suggests). In this age group his victory was unquestionable — and this is why Duda won in general. In all age groups below 50, Duda lost with Trzaskowski. Among my generation (20-30 year old), the Trzaskowski vote was sweeping. This shows that we have an abyss between older and younger voters in Poland, and in our society in general.

    I am far from saying that everyone who voted Duda did it because of cultural reasons. In fact, Duda’s party, Law and Justice, claims to be a Catholic party, but barely does anything to introduce Catholic values to Polish politics and society. They quote John Paul II or ostentatiously take part in liturgies, but nothing more.

    For instance, they openly support these bishops who covered pedophiles in their dioceses. They also turned down a few petitions asking for making abortion law in Poland less liberal, for no rational reason (they have a strong majority in the parliament). Sometimes they even make Christianity seem ridiculous or despotic. A few weeks ago one of Duda’s officials publicly said that he “regards LGBT people as inferior to normal people,” causing an outcry even among Polish conservative Catholics.

    But there is a reason why people vote for Duda and Law and Justice: introducing social programs, like the minimum hourly wage. Due to this, many people from middle and lower classes consider Duda as their defender against ruthless neoliberal policies, which dominated in Poland after 1989. I would say that Duda voters voted for him mostly for socioeconomic reasons, while the cultural aspects were in second, or even third, place.

    Duda and Law and Justice are far from being ideal. As recent social research show, they are widely regarded as incompetent. Many of my friends who work for the government or for state agencies say that Law and Justice has utterly no idea how to administrate the state, and it is really a miracle that our country has not already collapsed. They are widely regarded as bad politicians, but people vote for them merely because they consider others to be even worse.

    Nevertheless, this clearly shows in which direction in which our politics and society are heading. We still have self-proclaimed Catholics in power, but these Catholics do not make any real Christian changes in law and government. On the other hand, Trzaskowski and his Civic Platform are not so lazy. They openly declare themselves to be reluctant about faith, vigorously support the LGBTQ agenda, promise to liberalize abortion law, and introduce liberal tax reforms that would hit the poorest and benefit the rich.

    Most Poles in my age strongly support these proposals. Those who do not might have voted for Trzaskowski because of Law and Justice’s incompetence in ruling its affairs, and its highly controversial reforms, like juridical ones. More and more people, even Catholics, are starting to believe that it is Trzaskowski and Civic Platform who are the “lesser evil,” not Duda and Law and Justice. Trzaskowski also declared that he will not remove Law and Justice’s social reforms, so some of those who were afraid of Trzaskowski’s neoliberal attitudes were also appeased. While I personally do not share this point of view, I cannot say that it is utterly without merit.

    We are losing the culture war in Poland. In fact we have already lost it. It is a mere matter of time. Not because our opponents are too strong, but because the Catholics in power are too incompetent and aimed narrowly at winning the next election at any cost. In a few years, when the oldest voters will have passed away, the Polish electorate will get rid of incompetent Catholics and replace them with efficient liberals.


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