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As in Mississippi, so too in Ontario: police to lay charges against drive-in, inside parked cars, windows up church service

28 Apr

As there, so here:

LONDON, ONT. — Police say charges will be forthcoming after an Aylmer church defied provincial physical distancing orders and held Sunday morning services.

“Today our officers were on scene monitoring the events, and watching what was taking place,” says Insp. Nick Novacich of the Aylmer Police Service.

“Just because the public didn’t see us handing out a ticket like a speeding stop, people will be held accountable for what happened today,” added Novacich.

The Church of God had been advised by Aylmer police not to go ahead with the outdoor service but blatantly chose not to heed the warning.

Roughly 50 cars full of congregants gathered in the parking lot and remained in their vehicles and listened to Pastor Henry Hildebrandt preach from a riser broadcast on a low wattage FM radio signal.

“We explained to them (congregants) that it’s not mandatory to show up,” says Henry Hildebrandt, pastor at the Church of God.

“Whoever would like to join this morning, it’s your decision, and you could possibly be ticketed. They showed up and were cheering me on.”

Two Aylmer police officers were monitoring the situation with video cameras, recording every vehicle in attendance.

“It’s no secret the officers were videotaping the event and we’ll review all that video and we’ll put a package together to present to the local county prosecutor to see what route we need to follow,’ says Novacich.

“Throughout this process we’ve taken a measured approach as to what the best avenue is to pursue this. Through consultation this week with provincial and federal prosecutors there is nothing saying we had to physically issue tickets to everyone in attendance. There is other avenues we can pursue including serving a summons on those who we deem were in breach.”

Hildebrandt says he’s not sure whether local police will take action.

“I have to leave it up to them to see what they want to do with it,” says Hildebrandt.

“I see no reason to charge anyone.”

Police say the provisions and orders put in place by the province of Ontario for the Emergency Management and Civil Protections Act are ‘tricky’ and they want to have everything put in place for all sides before moving forward.

Hildebrandt says they did not take a collection, and feels they are no different than any gathering of cars in a grocery store or liquor store parking lot. After seeking legal advice, the church is comfortable it stands on solid ground.

“We have no doubt about that,” says Hildebrandt. “We’re not asking for special privilege or treatment. There was no parking lot as safe as ours this morning. We had no interaction before, during or after.”

Anarcho-tyranny, folks…

Feel free to go to a restaurant for take-out / drive-thru, or to go buy booze, but government forbid you be inside your car in a church parking lot, with the windows up; churches have been closed, doncha know, and so it isn’t safe to be inside your car in a parking lot with the windows up, unlike walking around a grocery store, etc.

 

18 responses to “As in Mississippi, so too in Ontario: police to lay charges against drive-in, inside parked cars, windows up church service

  1. fuzziewuzziebear

    April 28, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    I have not read the Charter of Rights and Freedom, but have heard that no law can be enforced contradicting it. What are the options for prosecuting anyone who violates it? That would include police, prosecutors, and judges. There is a UK Youtuber that has undertaken a private prosecution there of a policeman. It will be a while before we hear how that turns out. He is very sharp. He goes by Crimebodge.
    If there is no recourse available under the law, the government is inviting revolution.

     
    • Will S.

      April 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm

      If a good lawyer can make a case that their Charter rights were violated, they could have the charges dropped, perhaps. On the other hand, with the state of emergency declared, the government might be able to argue that regular rights are temporarily suspended in the public interest at present. I don’t know enough about law to comment.

       
      • fuzziewuzziebear

        April 28, 2020 at 3:07 pm

        It’s not enough that charges against them are dropped. Charges have to be brought against the government. They can’t be held blameless when they knowingly step all over the Charter. It exists as a restraint on them.

         
      • Will S.

        April 28, 2020 at 3:14 pm

        Oh, I agree. I don’t know if that can be done, either…

         
  2. freemattpodcast

    April 28, 2020 at 4:54 pm

    Trudeau probably would have interjected himself if it would have been a bunch of naked dudes screwing each other instead of a semblance of a religious service

     
    • Will S.

      April 28, 2020 at 5:08 pm

      Heh. 🙂

       
  3. fuzziewuzziebear

    April 28, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    Rebel News picked up the story and here is the clip. The church would have to hold services inside and not in the parking lot in vehicles to be in violation. My take is that the police are clearly in the wrong and should be prosecuted. The only thing that can be said for them is that they have held off citing anybody.

     
    • Will S.

      April 28, 2020 at 7:19 pm

      So far…

       
  4. fuzziewuzziebear

    April 28, 2020 at 8:07 pm

    We’ll know more next Sunday. I hope that the police back off.

     
    • Will S.

      April 28, 2020 at 8:25 pm

      As do I.

       
  5. feeriker

    April 28, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    The sad –and utterly infuriating– thing about this act of righteous defiance of tyrannical injustice is that so few “churches” are doing it that the few who are doing it make national or international news. This is something that EVERY church should be doing. They’ve all condemned themselves by groveling at Caesar’s feet.

    I’m rapidly adopting attitude of “may God prosper these churches who continue to assemble the flock in defiance of Caesar’s persecution. May all the others be scattered to the winds, their temples burned to the ground, and the ground upon which their temples stood salted over.”

     
    • Will S.

      April 28, 2020 at 10:14 pm

      I hear ya…

      “When the Son of Man cometh will He find faith on the earth?”

       
  6. fuzziewuzziebear

    April 29, 2020 at 11:11 am

    I don’t have that much of a problem with churches. They are now creatures of the system. I do have a problem with police deliberately violating the highest law of the land. And then, they expect to get away with it claiming “Befehl ist befehl.”

     
    • Will S.

      April 29, 2020 at 11:16 am

      That is irritating…

       
      • fuzziewuzziebear

        April 29, 2020 at 11:23 am

        My willingness to forgive churches or my unwillingness to forgive police? I knew someone who served as an interpreter at the later Nuremberg Trials. She was very disappointed that they never got around to the judges or police. It was the Berlin Airlift that put a stop to all that.

         
      • Will S.

        April 29, 2020 at 11:25 am

        No, I meant the police’s attitudes. Actually, beyond irritating, infuriating.