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Number of deaths versus panic levels in past compared to now

27 Mar

 

15 responses to “Number of deaths versus panic levels in past compared to now

  1. Anonymouse

    March 27, 2020 at 5:01 pm

    I read somewhere that 80,000 people died from the flu in 2018 in just the United States.

    78,500 more to go with the CHINESE FLU before it matches the 2018 flu.

     
    • Carnivore

      March 27, 2020 at 5:30 pm

      Read somewhere the conservative number of people who die due to medical mistakes is around 90,000 per year in the USA – the “conservative”, “accepted by all” number. Others think it’s much higher.

       
    • Dave

      March 27, 2020 at 7:38 pm

      You can’t call it the “Chinese flu”; that’s too vague. Nearly all flus originate in China because they house people, pigs, and poultry in close proximity, and their “wet markets” offer even more opportunities for inter-species transmission. Could be the “Wuhan flu”, though I never heard of a flu that made people cough up bloody red foam. They coughed up pus in 1918, a condition often described as “purulent bronchitis”.

       
      • Anymouse

        March 27, 2020 at 8:43 pm

        I call it the CHINESE FLU because the dimwitted running the media – you know them – Russian hacking, Russian bots, pee-gate, stormy daniels, the creepy porn lawyer, COVID19 didn’t come from bats, impeachment – they don’t want me calling it the CHINESE FLU.

        but, you’re point is valid – it is vague.

         
  2. info

    March 27, 2020 at 10:11 pm

    I have been following:

    twitter.com/MisterAntiBully

    And others and this isn’t just the flu. Plus its better to be safe than sorry.

     
    • Will S.

      March 27, 2020 at 10:36 pm

      Look at the numbers of deaths from this, and ignore the panic.

      Look at the cold hard facts, of who has died from this, and who hasn’t, despite being infected. No symptoms, even.

      (C.f. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epstein%E2%80%93Barr_virus

      Most people become infected with EBV and gain adaptive immunity. In the United States, about half of all five-year-old children and about 90% of adults have evidence of previous infection.[16] Infants become susceptible to EBV as soon as maternal antibody protection disappears. Many children become infected with EBV, and these infections usually cause no symptoms or are indistinguishable from the other mild, brief illnesses of childhood. In the United States and other developed countries, many people are not infected with EBV in their childhood years.[17]

      Why haven’t we treated Epstein-Barr the way we have treated this?)

      We could have treated it no different than any other flu, except quarantining the most vulnerable.

      The death numbers wouldn’t be any worse than H1N1, Hong Kong flu, etc.

      The panic and hysteria over this is bullshit.

       
      • info

        March 28, 2020 at 7:10 am

        Why would China destroy their own economy if its a nothingburger?

         
      • Will S.

        March 28, 2020 at 7:53 am

        Because they are communists, and incompetent, and they don’t mind hurting their own populace; this is a regime that has killed millions of them, so it’s not like it cares about human life in any absolute sense. They care about their power, and doing whatever it takes to maintain and further that. They will kill people and/or kill the economy as needed to further that goal.

        Now, all that said, it isn’t a nothingburger; it is real, and perhaps a bit worse than a regular flu.

        But it’s not the bubonic plague.

         
      • Will S.

        March 28, 2020 at 8:10 am

        Now, then, the bigger question remains:

        Why have the rest of the world followed suit?

        Is it because the coronavirus really requires such a response?

        Or is it because the panic, paranoia, state growth and increase of powers are all useful to the powers that be, the global technocratic managerial elite, our ruling class – and that if the threat is subsequently downgraded they can pat themselves on the back and tell us they saved us, and that we should trust government more, and stop this populist, nationalist nonsense like Brexit, Trump, Yellow Vests, Bolsonaro, Orban, etc., and instead return to having a higher regard for the converged deep state, with the implicit threat that they will smash our globalized economy again if we plebs step out of line?

        Just a thought.

        Cui bono?

        Who benefits?

        The question we should always ask.

         
      • info

        March 28, 2020 at 11:01 am

        Agreed.

         
  3. Carnivore

    March 28, 2020 at 8:31 am

    And this just in (well, 2 days ago) published in the New England Journal of Medicine, with one co-author being Dr. Fauci, the WuFlu hawk, who has to correct Trump because he dismissed it as just the flu:

    On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

     
    • Will S.

      March 28, 2020 at 8:35 am

      Thanks, Carnivore!

      The information is out there, to those paying attention; it’s just a severe flu, it’s not the bubonic plague…

       
  4. Carnivore

    March 28, 2020 at 8:35 am

    Also, interesting facts, figures and graphs regarding European mortality, traced back 4.5 years, by country, by age group, etc. Of course, the current WuFlu isn’t over but as of now, the numbers don’t come back as being the worst ever in this time frame, even in Italy for the over 65 crowd:

    http://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html

     
    • Will S.

      March 28, 2020 at 8:37 am

      Interesting, indeed!

       

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