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Andrew Yang is a SoCred

24 Apr

Andrew Yang promotes a ‘Freedom Dividend’, which is a form of Universal Basic Income.

A form of this has been attempted in Canada; it was called Social Credit (not to be confused with China’s Social Credit, which is something entirely different).

Social credit is a form of distributism, with which many Catholics may be familiar from church history.

Anyway…

There really is nothing new under the sun…

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6 Comments

Posted by on April 24, 2019 in America, Canada

 

6 responses to “Andrew Yang is a SoCred

  1. Dirtnapninja

    April 24, 2019 at 10:26 pm

    I was wondering about that too. But the social credit works more like a corporate dividend, and varies depending on how well the economy is doing. Still think Socred has something to offer for those of us who are disenchanted with corporate rule, but arent down with nazbol gang.

     
    • Will S.

      April 24, 2019 at 10:34 pm

      I admire Chesterton, who seemed to have distributist leanings, and I do like the idea of a system recognizing both the flaws of socialism and capitalism…

       
      • Roman Lance

        April 25, 2019 at 10:24 am

        The biggest problem I’ve had with Distributism has to do with it’s implementation. How does one go from a capitalist society to a society where each person gets five acres and must become their own blacksmith/farmer etc. while learning to live in a very unfamiliar corporate society?

        People can’t be forced to trust each other overnight, and unless this system can be incorporated slowly over time I just to believe it would have much chance of success.

        Also it seems that the Distributist model would require a society of higher IQ individuals, too many of which we lack in our current social matrix.

        If you get my drift.

         
      • A.B. Prosper

        April 25, 2019 at 3:12 pm

        Roman, some forms of Distributism are more focused on the tax code than on handouts

        The idea being that the tax code facilitates hiring people at middle and working class wages over automation or outsourcing. A simple example would be to have heavy deductions for wages and extra taxes on automated service kiosk thus making the most profitable choice, hiring people over automation

        So Cred is as our host noted , hardly new. American SF author Robert Heinlein wrote a book on it called For Us the Living back in 1938 which was lost and republished back in 2003

        This problems that it was meant to ameliorate, essentially automation reducing the value of labor in an urban society where family is more costly hasn’t really been touched since the 1960’s with the net result being low fertility in the entire industrialized world for nearly 50 years .

        There is no real sign of that stopping at any time either and as the rest of the world gets more industrialized and urban , expect more nations to have low fertility

        The upside of that is that only the most religious have large families which in the US is often Amish Orthodox of various sorts and very observant Catholics along with a few Muslims

        This will correct the moral imbalance in society though it may also end modernity to a high degree as well.

         
  2. Dave

    April 25, 2019 at 1:43 am

    The problem with any sort of basic income, aside from the drain on public finances, is that most needful jobs are not “fun” and are filled only because people need money for food and rent. Give them those things for free, and they won’t work, forcing you to fill those jobs with third-world immigrants, who will quit as soon as they can get on public assistance, necessitating *another* wave of immigrants to replace them.

    There was poor relief in the old days, but administrators maintained close contact with local employers. If a farmer had 300 acres of ripe strawberries, he made a phone call, and welfare benefits stopped until those berries were harvested.

     
    • A.B. Prosper

      April 25, 2019 at 3:17 pm

      That just means that dirty jobs will have to pay more or be done within a family business Instead of $10 an hour for a scupper cleaner, maybe its now $20. So be it

      Also SC only works with low to now immigration so that they can’t bring in cheap labor anyway

      Its probably never going to happen though. If they weren’t in an immigration crisis, the Scandinavian nations might be able to pull it off but the rest of the West doesn’t have that kind of society and will allow a collapse before such a radical change

       

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