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Trump = Dubya II

08 Jun

Recall how Dubya ran against Gore on an America-first, semi-isolationist platform (re-watch or read synopses of the debates from 2000 if you need to refresh your memory), but when 9/11 happened, while understandably going after bin Laden and al-Qaeda, nevertheless also took advantage of the opportunity to do a bait-and-switch and go after Saddam Hussein, trumping up charges of terrorism-sponsoring against the secular, Baathist Iraqi regime leader and claiming Hussein had WMDs (which turned out to be false), and used that pretext to launch a war against Iraq. He also used the opportunity to smear Iran and North Korea’s leaders as being, along with Iraq’s leadership, part of an ‘axis of evil’, and whipped up antagonism against the NORKs and the Iranians, threatening to go after them.

Now in Trump, America has a president who campaigned against the bipartisan American imperialist foreign policy consensus, and made some semi-isolationist noises, but who, while rightly attacking ISIS and Islamic fundamentalist terrorists for their actions, has nevertheless taken advantage of the opportunity presented by the increasing rate of terrorist attacks to do a bait-and-switch and go after Assad, trumping up charges against the secular, Baathist Syrian regime leader – and also whipping up antagonism against the NORKs and Iran, threatening to go after them.

I can’t see the difference; can you see the difference?

None, in the first GOP presidency since Dubya and 9/11, almost two decades later…

Still not tired of being betrayed, diehard endlessly loyal Chumps for Trump?

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36 responses to “Trump = Dubya II

  1. rednig

    June 8, 2017 at 12:47 am

    According to friends from Syria, a lot of armored trucks came over the border into Syria from Iraq. The yellow cake, if you’ll recall, was reported by Valery Plame and her egotistical hubby. Bin Laden bragged he used his power to fight against the Great Satan (AKA the anti-slavery USA). I didn’t vote for Hilda-Beast because of the slavery issue. I held my nose and voted for Trump, even knowing the man did not want to be president, but was forced into the office because of moronic liberals who felt he wasn’t electable and were frightened of Cruse. This happened in the primaries with W, as well. Just think, when he’s gone, the neo-nazis can shriek about Pence, who’s many times the anti-liberal Trump is. Maybe we are blessed after all.

     
    • Will S.

      June 8, 2017 at 6:17 am

      I was glad when Dubya beat Al Gore in 2000. But I became disappointed after how Dubya changed after 9/11.

      I was glad, you will recall – or go back and see my old posts – when Hillary lost.

      But I have become disappointed at how incompetently Trump has governed, overall, as well as how he has let his daughter and neo-con husband manipulate him, and how he has caved completely to the neo-con and bipartisan foreign policy consensus, despite campaigning somewhat against it.

       
    • Will S.

      June 8, 2017 at 6:26 am

      If Pence ends up becoming president due to impeachment and removal from office, America will be getting a neo-con who ultimately caved to the zeitgeist in the culture war in his home state.

       
      • speculativeramblings

        June 8, 2017 at 7:39 pm

        I have a question about war. I have read previously that you think the Vietnam conflict. Why is that? On a small picture level, I only understand that the “success” of the Korean War led to a partitioning that resulted in one country that persecutes its Christians and another where Christians thrive, and because the U.S. didn’t fight hard enough, there was and still is a communist state that persecutes its Christians (yes, I know that we don’t figure into the elite’s motivations, but this is a question of good/bad results, not motives). This probably sounds naïve, but what was the problem with America getting involved? What is wrong with “imperialism,” as you say?

         
      • Will S.

        June 8, 2017 at 8:29 pm

        I think you forgot to finish the sentence about Vietnam. What was your question?

        Basically, I don’t think any country has any moral obligation to go to war to aid any other country, and especially the more so in a civil war situation, where a country is partitioned between two factions fighting each other. I believe in the basic principles of the Treaty of Westphalia, wherein what happens within a country is that country’s business, and not that of outsiders. For centuries, the Treaty of Westphalia was considered to be the basic principle of diplomacy, even if sometimes more honoured in the breach rather than the observance, because it tended to keep the peace overall. Between that and the Geneva Convention, there were limits in war. Ever since the U.S. Civil War onwards, especially after the Boer War but even more so with the First World War and onwards, all that has been thrown away. Now civilians are fair game. Now enemy combatants end up mistreated. Now wars are fought without being declared, by calling them other names like a ‘police action’, the euphemism for the Korean War. Now presidents enact wars without getting Congress’ approval, and generally get carte blanche from Congress to do what they want abroad. Now America acts like a bully, they get to be a free country but support dictatorships like Pakistan, or Iraq under Hussein while against war with Iran in the 80s (until they changed their mind), or Panama under Noriega (until they changed their mind), etc. They get to have nukes, but hate other countries from having them. This is hypocrisy, and it’s what’s wrong with imperialism, esp. of the modern American variety, because at least the British empire and the other European ones were all officially Christian, more or less, whereas the American one is rabidly secularist. For that matter, at least Putin, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Slovakia, and others in Eastern Europe are Christian, whereas the west today, America, Britain, France, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Spain, Italy, etc. are post-Christian, anti-Christian, prog / Islamophilic, unlike Eastern Europe. I’d welcome a new Eastern European Christian imperialism if it went up against us, frankly. The Brave New World Order needs to be brought crashing down; God willing, we will witness it do so in our lifetimes.

         
      • rednig

        June 11, 2017 at 3:42 am

        Will: A neocon is a Jew who voted for a conservative. Yes, I do hope Pence will work out. I would rather Cruse as prez, but he flubbed it. Pence will do te job Trump isn’t allowed to. Trump is too liberal. He was a friend of the Clintons and other neolibs. Hillary was and still is by her own admission, brain damaged. After all the innocent people who died thanks to her, I say she would look good strapped to a heavy oak chair with a bronze cap on her shaven head. Yet, her sort is the only sort the dnc wants. Easy to control, to blackmail or bribe, the Beasts simply do not care for the people or the nation.

         
      • Will S.

        June 11, 2017 at 4:02 pm

        @rednig: A neo-con is not merely a Jew who leans conservative; it’s a bunch of mostly Jews and Shabbos goyim who are former Trotskyites, and who claim to be conservative but haven’t fully left behind their leftism, esp. as regards their love for imperialist warmongering… David Frum, Jonah Goldberg, Irving Kristol, Robert Kagan, etc., are all cut from the same cloth, push the same agenda… They never met a war they didn’t like…

         
      • rednig

        June 14, 2017 at 11:13 pm

        Not what they tell me in Brooklyn. Many are the ultra-conservative Ashkenazim. Other wise, still in accord. Peace be with you, niio.

         
      • Will S.

        June 14, 2017 at 11:17 pm

        Oh, definitely, there are Orthodox Jews who eschew neo-conservatism, but many of them are relatively apolitical, in general, same as the ones in Israel who reject Zionism.

         
      • rednig

        June 15, 2017 at 12:00 am

        True, but do not forget, many Jews voted dnc because FDR fought Hitler. As the truth comes out, many are becoming conservatives.

         
  2. barnyardboss

    June 8, 2017 at 1:22 am

    SO- you really wanted the demon witch for our president? – The Hag unleashing her wild hunt upon the remnants of the white males who voted for Trump? Swat teams coming for our guns?
    Trump is a clown and a front for the neocons- but he is NOT Hillary. Nothing else matters. True believers in the “system” are invested in thinking their choice will make all the things happen they dreamed of- since when has this EVER happened? ONE thing he campaigned on got him elected: stop the immigration invasion. If he cannot do this, the federal collapse will happen sooner than later. Meanwhile, he gives us more time to prep for the coming debt / food/ energy/ rohowa apocalypse. Worrying about the neocon/wall street alliance is a waste of time- he had to go there to get the “dubya” party on board to get him elected. THANK GOD HE DID.

     
    • rednig

      June 8, 2017 at 1:38 am

      I’ll add an Amer to that. But, calling the Beast a hag demeans hags, everywhere. I do not know any witches (Wicca) who voted for her. She has too many demons, they told me. Also: Plant a hidden garden, like Moskitos Indians and other do. Monsanto backed the Beast.

       
      • P0etentiate

        June 13, 2017 at 12:54 pm

        rednig: you must have a small circle. All Wiccans I know and their friends voted Democrat.

         
    • Will S.

      June 8, 2017 at 6:14 am

      If you have followed this blog, or if you go back and look at my past posts, you will see that I was glad Hillary lost, and happy that Trump beat her, and happy about his campaign, in terms of his going against the grain, and promising actual change. You will also see, however, going back over my posts over the last couple of years, that I had some wariness about his intentions on actually delivering, and that I didn’t think our kind should think he was the end-all, be-all.

      I have been vindicated.

      I was glad when Dubya beat Al Gore.

      But that doesn’t mean I thought Dubya was good.

      And I don’t trust Trump to follow through and build the wall or keep pushing for an immigration ban.

      “Put not your trust in princes”, as the Good Book says.

       
      • Will S.

        June 8, 2017 at 6:22 am

        Let me clarify: I was glad Dubya beat Al Gore.

        But he ended up disappointing and disillusioning.

        And I came to see that both parties sucked.

        I was hoping, with Trump, that he was different.

        But I was worried he wouldn’t be.

        Alas, he isn’t.

         
      • Will S.

        June 8, 2017 at 6:24 am

        Yes, the Deep State hates Trump, and is thwarting him at every turn, to the extent it can, which is very much indeed.

        But, he has also made gross unforced errors and disappointingly caved in areas where he could have stood firm.

         
  3. Smultronstallet

    June 8, 2017 at 8:15 am

    Maybe Trump could at least make anti-Americanism great again. Obama was so much smarter: his cheerful rainbow imperialism, casually promoted on liberal talk shows, was much harder to oppose. It was easy to oppose Bush II. who often dressed and behaved like a caricature of the stupid American with his cowboy hat. (Imagine Merkel would wear a Stahlhelm and roll the “r” when calling on Europe to take in more rrrrefugees.) But resisting casual Obama was much harder. No one took Cornel West serious when he said that Obama was “just as much a war criminal like George Bush.”

    I guess we can only hope that Trump won’t be used to do the dirty work in regards to, say, Iran. It would be the perfect opportunity. More war and more aggression would most probably still be unpopular and even a hard sell for those who promise that they just want to bring democracy and women’s rights. But with Trump in office, he could be used to do the dirty work and 4 years later they could say, “oh, that was just this mad man’s fault!”

     
    • Will S.

      June 11, 2017 at 3:59 pm

      Alas, Canadian self-righteousness and smugness, and feelings of arrogant superiority towards America and Americans, are at a peak, once again…

       
      • rednig

        June 14, 2017 at 11:10 pm

        The bigots to our north are usually smug. BO’s hoax and chains only wrecked race relations, not made it better. And this same crowd of KKK wanted Hillary in office,. Maybe Canada has too many Native Americans and wanted her to reduce the population, as she helped to do in Mexico and Nicaragua, and Arizona. Or they love the idea of small children dying, which happened under Clinton and BO. War is coming, but it will come to the sheep, first. It already has in Canada, but their government doesn’t want to frighten the people.

         
      • Will S.

        June 14, 2017 at 11:15 pm

        I’m Canadian myself, and alas, it is one of our least attractive qualities, our collective smug reflexive leftist anti-Americanism. Most prog Canadians were appalled by Trump, and had been cheering for Hillary, indeed. Of course, there are other Canadians like myself who were overjoyed that Hillary was defeated, and happy to enjoy liberals’ salty tears over the outcome.

         
  4. feeriker

    June 8, 2017 at 9:02 am

    Ultimately, the charade continues because:

    1. Amoricons are naive, gullible sheep with the attention spans and IQs of houseflies, and

    2. They’re bloodthirsty savages who, lacking anything else to show for their existence in the form of productivity and wealth generation over the last 45-plus years, fall in behind any schoolyard bully who spews populist capitalist rhetoric while engaging the nation in endlessly beating up on smaller, weaker countries as a form of distracting attention from the socioeconomic and political collapse at home.

    Feeriker’s official position has now become “the USA has the government it richly deserves and has earned.” That would be true even if Hitlery had been elected instead of Trump.

     
    • Will S.

      June 8, 2017 at 8:15 pm

      Alas…

       
    • Will S.

      June 8, 2017 at 8:15 pm

      Remember what Mencken said, “Democracy is the theory that people get the government they deserve – and they deserve to get it good and hard.”

      And so they do…

       
      • rednig

        June 11, 2017 at 3:50 am

        Be blessed, but we don’t live in a democracy but a Democratic Republic. The Americas haven’t seen a real democracy since the last Native American nation was crushed under the heel of the dems. the news media makes up the minds of most people, not facts. You cannot get facts unless you’re a diehard political junky (meaning most native Americans–it’s called out second religion). My only point on Trump is, Hilda-Beast was the only other choice the news media allowed. Creepy, grotesque, and bitter, she’s still their choice. They’re still fighting for her and the Nazis Party USA. And see only the money, not humanity. this is why I in general keep Trump comments to myself. I agree with you, but because of the greed of the news media keep scanning the horizon for dem friends to blow up more people in the US and Europe.

         
  5. Wilson

    June 8, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    He was flip flopping back at the inaugural address when he said he was America first, then says he is pro-Israel in the next sentence. So same ole lesser of two evils shit deal again.

     
    • Will S.

      June 8, 2017 at 8:14 pm

      Indeed…

       
      • feeriker

        June 8, 2017 at 11:23 pm

        Hell, he was flip-flopping like a trout out of the water during the campaign. That would’ve served as a pretty solid clue about where the future was headed to anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex. But again, we’re talking about Amoricon votards here…

         
      • Will S.

        June 9, 2017 at 11:20 pm

        “This time, Lucy will let me kick the ball and I’ll show her!” 😉

         
  6. Cecil Henry

    June 9, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    Refugee invasion increasing under Trump. Because he has chosen to surround himself with (((enemies))).

    Burn it down. End this parasitic system.

     
  7. thedeti

    June 13, 2017 at 10:34 am

    Trump is not going to be impeached. If he is, he will not be convicted and removed from office.

    I think the Left would love a President Pence, because he can be pushed around. Pence has neither Trump’s instincts nor his political fortitude. But I don’t think there is a President Pence in our future.

    What’s happening is Trump running up against the Deep State, figuring out that being a politician and a government executive is not like being a business executive and making deals, and that he doesn’t control the money or the entirety of the process. Congressmen and Senators don’t have to “jump” when he says. He’s facing a media and 50% of an electorate that hates him and actively work every day to see him fail. And even those “on his side’ don’t have the country’s best interests at heart.

    Trump will never make America great again. Nothing can, other than her people. And her people are no longer great, because they are no longer good (with apologies to de Tocqueville). All a Trump can do, like Reagan, is slow down the inevitable long slide into decline, as happens with all societies and empires.

    Violence is coming. Dark days are coming. War is coming. They can’t be stopped. They can only be held off for a while, to give people time to prepare.

     
    • Will S.

      June 14, 2017 at 12:31 am

      We are living in interesting times, as per the old Chinese curse…

       
  8. thedeti

    June 13, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    Trump is getting a political education. He’s finding out that running a government is nothing like running a business; that being a CEO is not very much like being a US president; and that there are 535 other people in Washington who are wannabe presidents in their own little minds and who aren’t necessarily going to jump when Trump gives the command.

    There will be no impeachment, and if there is an impeachment there will be no conviction. The left would love a President Pence, because he can be pushed around (as he showed as Indiana Governor, when he caved on a religious freedom law). The right doesn’t want a President Pence.

    Another thing going on is that Trump is a historically unpopular president. He is the most unpopular president of the modern era. He’s never gotten above around 40 to 45% approval ratings, even when he was first elected.

    Trump will not make America great again. No one can, except her people, and I hold out little hope for them. America is no longer great because she is no longer good, and her people are no longer good (with apologies to de Tocqueville).

    Violence is coming, War is coming. Dark days are coming. All Trump can do is slow the long slide toward the collapse. But it won’t be a rapid fall. It will be a slow one, even slower than the USSR’s breakup – which is what the USA is now. We’re a group of separate nationalities bound together in a purely political union with a strong central government. But that strong central government is rapidly losing its ability to keep the separate nationalities from going to all out war with each other.

     
  9. thedeti

    June 13, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    Correction: Trump is the most unpopular first-year president of the modern era. Most presidents in the first six months of their initial terms have much better approval ratings than Trump has. Trump hasn’t broken 50% even in the most favorable polls (e.g. Rasmussen).

     

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