No and Wrong

30 May

Christ died not for our freedom, but to save sinners from their sins, not for freedom in some abstract capacity.

U.S. soldiers died fighting for their country or the empire; take your pick, depending on the war. Again, freedom is abstract; one’s homeland is concrete, reality.

Equating the two is even worse than Julia Ward Howe’s line ‘As Christ died to make men holy, let us die to make men free’ (not ‘live to make men free’; that was a change from the original), because at least that was just drawing an analogy, rather than outright equating the two.

It trivializes Christ’s atoning work, equating it with human efforts, equates the work of God’s advancement of His Kingdom with the advancement of an earthly, temporal realm, and is therefore sacrilegious.

Remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


13 responses to “No and Wrong

  1. speculativeramblings

    May 30, 2017 at 11:15 am

    I have a question: how do I psychologically separate the good Jews (Abraham, Paul, modern day ethnic Jews who are Christians, and most importantly Jesus) from the bad Jews (Pharisees, pretty much any famous secular Jew today)? I feel like I have to play mental gymnastics to separate the two groups (and with Jesus being in the mix, that is a heavy burden).

    • Will S.

      May 30, 2017 at 1:02 pm

      I don’t know; the same way you separate good, faithful Christians in your mind from apostate / liberal / heretical / evil-supporting so-called Christians, the wolves in sheep’s clothing. Or, in a secular context, how one separates out, in one’s mind, good Americans from bad Americans, good Canadians from bad Canadians, etc. (Good ones meaning salt-of-the-earth, traditionalist conservatives more or less; bad ones being progressives.) You just do it; you recognize that in all groups, you have a mix of people, and so it’s absurd to tar an entire group with the same brush, since you know it’s invalid to ascribe to all members of a group characteristics of one subset of it, particularly when it’s relatively easy to distinguish between them. IOW, you use your brain; loving the Lord our God with all of our mind, as well as our heart, soul, and strength, means using the brain He gave us to discern, to discriminate (i.e. distinguish between, as when we say an individual has ‘discriminating tastes’; he can tell good things from bad). No short-cuts; thinking requires effort. That’s all. 🙂

      • Will S.

        May 30, 2017 at 1:07 pm

        (I have oversimplified in my example of good vs. bad people in the secular realm, in that there can be good people of progressive bent; people who from our POV are misguided in their political leanings, but who can have big hearts, and be generous and compassionate, and because of their misunderstandings, embrace big-government tyranny and political correctness etc. as a result.

        But the net effect of them is still negative in the aggregate, even if they do good things in the places where they live, etc.)

      • speculativeramblings

        May 30, 2017 at 1:25 pm

        Thank you, sir.

      • Will S.

        May 30, 2017 at 2:01 pm

        You’re welcome! 🙂

    • Smultronstallet

      May 31, 2017 at 12:52 am

      Personally, in situations like these, it has always helped me to a) stick to a schedule and b) put the issue aside for a while.

      I’d suggest to regularly read and pray NO MATTER WHAT, no matter how you otherwise feel, no matter if you have a lot or hardly any time today, you read some Scripture and you pray every day until the crisis or the moment of doubt, the moment of weak faith, where you feel like having to play mental gymnastics etc. is over.

      And b) Put the issue aside for a moment. If there’s an issue you somehow feel like not being able to solve right now, you put it aside on focus on other issues. Read another book in the Bible. Study something else. Could you give a short definition of the trinity? Do you know which arguments people use for and against the concept of amillennialism? Something like that. And you bring the issue to God in prayer, asking Him to help you if it is His will, to forgive you if it’s sin that’s making you knuckleheaded etc. Put the issue aside for a while if you must, but do not put God aside!

      As for the Jews more specifically now: I believe there’s a kind of racial anti-Semitism that is simply incompatible with Christianity. And it feels to me that a lot of these mental gymnastics are coming from the fact that many Christians are tired with neoconservatism, dispensationalism, dispensational-fueled neoconservatism etc. … and then fall for the other extreme! The other side of the same anti-Christian coin so to speak. Then they are forced to play mental gymnastics, then they engage in all these genetical debates about how the Ancient Jews were ethnically different from the modern Jews, and how the old Jews were actually white or actually brown or whatever. It’s sad, really. Or at least misses the point.

      I think the important thing is that if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you are a son of Abraham, and that all those who don’t have the Son don’t have the Father also. This is the Lord’s doing and it is marvelous in our eyes. And it is the relevant dividing line you should stick to. As Will said, it’s just as with separating faithful Christians with apostate Christians or Maoist Chinese with Christian Chinese etc.

      • Will S.

        June 2, 2017 at 11:21 pm

        Well put, SS.

        SR: what SS said. 🙂

  2. feeriker

    May 30, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    It’s becoming an intolerable experience to sit through a service in an American Protestant (especially evangelical) church on any Sunday that abuts a national holiday. The unvarnished worship of Caesar and his legions is just outright blasphemous.

    I left a Baptist church (yeah, I know, I know … what was I doing there in the first place?) six years ago after the pastor* staged one of these Caesar-worship ceremonies on Sunday, September 11th. I told him on my way out the door why I was leaving, but I might as well have been speaking Aramaic for all he grasped of my reasoning.

    Between their embrace of feminism and their love of violent warfare (as long as murricans are the ones waging it), Amoricon churchians are going to have some serious ‘splaining to do on Judgment Day.

    (*The guy was a Bob Jones “University” “graduate,” which should’ve clued me in at the very beginning that he and his “church” were to be avoided.)

    • feeriker

      May 30, 2017 at 11:12 pm

      BTW, the location of that sign isn’t a surprise. If there is one region of the U.S. that is expert at dressing up warmongering in the wrappings of faux Christianity, it is the southern part of the country.

      • Will S.

        May 30, 2017 at 11:42 pm


        Let’s rid the world of evil, and God bless America. This is the heresy of Americanism, and its currency explains why “Christian” observance remains so high in “God’s country.” Post-modern American Christianity has little to do with the religion founded by Our Lord. It is a health-and-happiness cult based on the utopian idea that Americans are God’s chosen people, that he has blessed them with a new New Covenant.

        Kevin Michael Grace, 11.48 p.m., May 31, 2004

    • Will S.

      May 30, 2017 at 11:37 pm

      I don’t know if you ever saw this old post and comments:

      It seems that Caesar-worship goes hand in hand with evangelicalism and Mormonism, alas…


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