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Dr. Russell Moore: Wives don’t sin (part 1)

06 Dec

Typical Russell Moore; moving the SBC ever leftward…

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Dr. Russell Moore explains at FamilyLife the key to avoiding infidelity in marriage*:

It’s been said that the best defense is a good offense. Russell Moore says that when it comes to maintaining marital fidelity, a wife’s best defense may well be to move into her husband’s life with hard questions and a loving presence to open up the dialogue about marital fidelity – before the affair happens.

Note that in the FamilyLife summary above, the temptation to sin only affects husbands.  In the beginning of the segment Moore does briefly reference premarital counseling where he has both the husband and wife write out how they would be tempted to cheat, but for the rest of the program the presumption is that only husbands are tempted by sexual sin.

Dr. Moore describes a situation where his wife’s radar went up:

Early on, in ministry—serving a church—we had a young…

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21 responses to “Dr. Russell Moore: Wives don’t sin (part 1)

  1. feeriker

    December 6, 2016 at 10:01 am

    My church just completed a FotF-based marriage workshop, which I attended both because I’m engaged AND because I wanted to audit it from a RP perspective.

    All the usual suspects were featured in the videos (Rainey, Mohler, Mary Kassian, and Moore prominent among them; why Voddie Baucham keeps company with such clowns really mystifies me). Maybe I missed something in the Spanish-dubbed videos (I attend a Spanish-speaking church) that I would have caught in the original English, but there didn’t seem to be any overt, in-your-face vag-worship/man-shaming that these guys routinely practice in commentary and from the pulpits. However, they did go waaaaaaaay overboard on the “male-headship-easily-leads-to-abuse” trope. The good news is that our class didn’t seem to give it any weight.

    My ultimate conclusion, and one that I’ll share with my pastor if prompted: forget about packaged Christian marriage seminars, especially from organizations like FotF. Use the Bible and the Bible alone as source material. All else leads down the path to heresy.

     
    • Will S.

      December 6, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      Congrats on the engagement, BTW! Is your fiancée herself Latin American? From which country or region, if I may ask?

      I hope Spanish-speaking Protestant churches develop their own such materials, over time, rather than relying on converged churchian evanjellyfish Anglo materials.

      BTW, I see the New York Times has given space to leftangelical, pro-homo Campolo:

      http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2016/12/churchian-theocrats.html

       
      • feeriker

        December 6, 2016 at 5:44 pm

        Thanks, Will. Yes, my fiancée is Latin American, from “the Northern part of South America” (if I were any more specific right now I’d be “outing” myself 🙂 ).

        Protestant churches in Latin America are growing rapidly right now and, thank the Lord, seem to be avoiding MOST of the prog rot infecting their North American counterparts. I think much of that is due to cultural reasons, but I’m still a tad concerned at a few trends I see in the Latin American churches (some give women a bit too free a hand in what I think are inappropriate leadership roles). However, the biggest difference I see, and one that my fiancée has noticed too, is in the amount of time and effort devoted to evangelical outreach. The churches down there are dedicated to it on a regular basis. Her church does a minimum of thrice-weekly outreach missions in which they visit local schools, hospitals, prisons, barrios full of poverty, addiction, crime, etc. She’s very disappointed that our church here –indeed MOST churches in the U.S.– give outreach short shrift and scant attention. Once she’s back here for good (within the next two months, God willing), she wants to start a local outreach program. I have a feeling that our local church will be less than enthusiastic (mostly due to inertia, alas), but that once she and I start it, others will hopefully join in.

        As far as Spanish-speaking Protestants developing their own study materials, I wonder if these already exist in down south. I honestly hadn’t thought of that; I’ll have to ask my fiancée if she knows of any that are available online. I honestly can’t see Spanish-speaking churches here in America using such materials, especially if they’re free of FotF-grade rot. Such churches are, unfortunately, quite Americanized in undesirable ways, although not quite as bad as their gringo counterparts. Hispanics in America are much more Americanized than most people realize (this recent Dalrock offering is, sadly, spot-on: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/11/19/america-is-destroying-the-hispanic-family/).

         
      • Will S.

        December 7, 2016 at 2:32 am

        That’s fine; hence why I said ‘region’ if country was too specific. 🙂

        I have some concerns about evangelicalism in places like Brazil, where it seems the ‘prosperity gospel’ has become popular, apparently. I hope that isn’t so elsewhere in the Latin world… The last thing they need is to import our heresies…

         
    • Kenneth Schmidt

      December 9, 2016 at 12:40 am

      I have actually heard the people at Focus on the Family actually say that women sin less than men and are “more naturally spiritual.” This is heresy, that somehow women are less affected by original sin than men.

       
      • During the day

        December 18, 2016 at 1:46 am

        It’s total heresy because it denies the entire doctrine of sin. From what I’m reading of his statements, if women sin less than men and are more “naturally spiritual” then our human nature is not “sinful and unclean” but simply missing the mark. So, a person sins, but is not born totally lost in need of a savior.

        A denial of Law and gospel. The power of Christ on the cross is denied because some sin less than others and therefore need less “saving work” than others. “Just do more, again, to increase your faith”. Godly tantrums, loud boohoo-ings of abasement and increased tithing, harrumphings of self righteousness; this whole ghastly spectacle is disgusting. Moore probably means (mostly) well but his teachings will drive many believers into despair anger and unbelief.

         
  2. Peter Blood

    December 6, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    Re: Moore. Dude’s whipped, plain as day.

     
    • Peter Blood

      December 6, 2016 at 7:30 pm

      His wife probably wrote the article for him.

       
      • feeriker

        December 7, 2016 at 12:02 am

        You can bet that, at the very least, she edited it heavily and had the final say in its release.

         
      • Will S.

        December 7, 2016 at 2:43 am

        No doubt…

         
    • Will S.

      December 7, 2016 at 2:43 am

      Yep.

       
  3. Cecil Henry

    December 6, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    These are the words of a salesman, not a minister.

    He knows his target audience. The feminized church is full of this garbage.

    What is needed is men to stand up and reject this— and not politely either. A dose of anger and direction against this cancer is badly needed.

     
    • feeriker

      December 7, 2016 at 12:07 am

      What is needed is men to stand up and reject this— and not politely either. A dose of anger and direction against this cancer is badly needed.

      It will only ever be done by a lay pastor who doesn’t depend on the contents of the collection plate for his daily bread and thus isn’t a businessman hiding behind the pulpit.

       
      • infowarrior1

        December 7, 2016 at 3:18 am

        One of the qualifications of an elder is a well ordered household and a respectable submissive wife 1 peter 3 outlines what a respectable wife looks like. By this qualification alone many men are disqualified since they answer to their wives in contradiction to the dictum of a well ordered household.

        A man whose balls is in the hands of the wife ensues that the woman usurp Authority over men by default.

         
    • Will S.

      December 7, 2016 at 2:44 am

      Hear, hear!

       
  4. feeriker

    December 7, 2016 at 10:23 am

    One of the qualifications of an elder is a well ordered household and a respectable submissive wife 1 peter 3 outlines what a respectable wife looks like. By this qualification alone many men are disqualified since they answer to their wives in contradiction to the dictum of a well ordered household.

    I think we all know that if biblical standards and requirements for leadership were strictly enforced today, the church would collapse from a lack of qualified leaders.

     

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