Pope Francis sez: ‘All Religions Want Peace’

31 Jul


Rod Dreher:

Pope Francis gotta Pope-Francis:

Pope Francis said Wednesday the world was at war but argued that religion was not the cause, as he arrived in Poland a day after jihadists murdered a priest in France.

“We must not be afraid to say the truth, the world is at war because it has lost peace,” the pontiff told journalists aboard a flight from the Rome to Krakow.

“When I speak of war I speak of wars over interests, money, resources, not religion. All religions want peace, it’s the others who want war.”

This is absurd. No, it’s not absurd: this is a lie.



25 responses to “Pope Francis sez: ‘All Religions Want Peace’

  1. Will S.

    July 31, 2016 at 4:27 am

    Would-be interlocutor: I don’t care to try to convince you; I sneer at prog syncretists like Karen Armstrong, and don’t give a toss what she and her ilk say, including you. Jihad may not be one of the five pillars of Islam, but it is oft considered a sixth, and the Koran and other Muslim holy writings teach that the dar-al-Islam (Domain of Submission) must conquer the dar-al-Harb (Domain of War). Jihad is real, and makes Islam different from Christianity, notwithstanding the desire of progs like you to posit a false moral equivalence.

    But I don’t care if I convince you or not. In any case, our blog; we choose who gets to comment, and I ain’t gonna waste time arguing with a prog. I never do, because y’all never act in good faith, and usually hypocritically accuse us of not doing so. I don’t know why you people bother; I don’t go to your blogs and argue with your ilk. So you don’t get to come to ours and argue pointlessly, either. Buh-bye!

  2. superslaviswife

    July 31, 2016 at 6:28 am

    Peace is just our word for a state of comfort, a state of little to no conflict, a place where we have no reason to fear our fellow man. The only means to total peace is sameness. Not equality, but elimination of difference. War is the means by which we pursue peace. Thus, all religions and most people seek peace, which is inherently what makes us violent and brings about war. An uncomfortable truth, but truth nonetheless.

    • Will S.

      July 31, 2016 at 7:53 pm

      A bit oversimplifying matters; wars occur over territory, resources, and/or in the name of religion; the reasons can vary, and sometimes the real reason is not the stated reason, etc. Not all religions are peaceful; some are more so than others.

      • superslaviswife

        August 2, 2016 at 4:36 am

        Territory, resources and religion are all sources of security. There is the inherent belief that when assets are seized and defended and when all ascribe to the same ideology, we will be “peaceful”, ie safe.

      • Will S.

        August 2, 2016 at 6:14 am

        With good reason, that; cultural and social homogeneity is the basis of order, generally.

      • superslaviswife

        August 3, 2016 at 5:13 am

        Exactly. But we will divide no matter how homogenous we are. It has been hypothesized that any more than 12 people in a group will cause a cultural split: generational, religious, in leadership, etc. Once the 13th person is added, the smallest of differences incurs violence. Unsure if the exact number 12 was more of a benchmark or a subconscious choice by the participants or reviewers of the information, though. Always a little suspicious with recurring figures. But, as an estimate, it does seem to hold out.

      • Will S.

        August 3, 2016 at 11:31 am

        There’s an old Canadian one-liner: if one Canadian is a national crisis, then two Canadians are a separatist threat. 🙂

  3. Peregrino Nuzkwamia

    July 31, 2016 at 8:03 am

    It’s a whole bunch of absurd, glaring lies squeezed with remarkable efficiency into a few short sentences. Almost admirable on that score.

  4. feeriker

    July 31, 2016 at 9:45 am

    Ordinarily I, a non-Catholic would not dream of making such a suggestion, but this time it’s different; things have really gotten out of hand. Ergo, to all practicing Catholics, I urge you: GET RID OF THIS ASSCLOWN!

    He is an embarrassment to the church, an embarrassment to the faith, and, I continue to assert a pretender to the papal throne, an anti-pope of the kind not seen since the late Middle Ages (you will NEVER convince me that Benedict XVI’s “resignation” was anything other than an externally engineered coup!). If this heretic (that’s exactly what he is; in fact, it’s not excessive hyperbole to call him a closet APOSTATE) is allowed to continue to reign and run amok like he is now, it will do damage that the RCC will never recover from.

    So c’mon now, all you Catholics: drive a stake once and for all through the heart of the accusation that the church remains co-opted by Vatican II Marxists and stage a counter-coup to restore a real shepherd of the faith! (Bonus points if Frankie Marx is toppled from power on the same day as his idol, Venezuela’s Nicholas Maduro.)

    • Will S.

      July 31, 2016 at 7:54 pm

      How would they get rid of him, though? (Other than somehow forcing him out, the way they did B16.)

      • feeriker

        August 1, 2016 at 12:32 pm

        Procedurally, I have no idea. That’s a very good question. Maybe someone familiar with the Vatican’s canon of governance can shed light on this (I can always dream, can’t I)?

        I would like to think that the RCC has some means of dealing with a pope who has effectively gone heretic or apostate, much like, for example, U.S. Supreme Court justices, although appointed for life, can be removed from the bench in cases of egregious misconduct. I dunno, though; given that some of the most egregiously corrupt and evil popes in history appear to have suffered no official repercussions for their crimes, I’m led to believe that, short of death or resignation, once a pope is in office the church is pretty well stuck with him until he croaks.

        One day in the future the truth will become known as to who it was who actually installed Frankie Marx on the papal throne. I think we can be pretty sure that it wasn’t the college of cardinals – not of their own volition, anyway.

  5. Sean

    July 31, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    Seems only fitting that the “church” that anathematized Romans 9 should “believe in a new humanity”, too. Guess Romans 1-3 get to be included now, too.

  6. Cecil Henry

    July 31, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    The peace of Islam. Look it up Pope.

    Or should I say, anti-pope.

    Saying lies like that is good for business I guess, His business.

    • Will S.

      July 31, 2016 at 7:55 pm

      He seems to want to ingratiate himself with progs, and they buy into his schtick.

  7. Peter Blood

    July 31, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    The Church has survived worse popes, but will Europe survive this one?

    • Will S.

      July 31, 2016 at 7:56 pm

      A good question.

  8. Dave

    July 31, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    “Progressives believe that all religions, rightly understood, are true and good because all religions, rightly understood, are Progressivism.” -Jim Donald

    Just as gays tend to believe that straight people are closeted gays, liberals believe that Muslims are closeted liberals. I do not understand how people of type X think, therefore I shall assume they think exactly as I do!

    • Will S.

      July 31, 2016 at 10:08 pm

      And yet they don’t think that Westerners who oppose progressivism are closeted liberals (though they think those of us who criticize homosexual activism are closeted homosexuals ourselves); they tend to just think of us as evil oppressors.

  9. Eric

    July 31, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    I’m not sure that I don’t agree—at least technically—with what the Pope said. He has an awkward way of saying things, but what I got out of his speech was that it is anti-religious interest groups who are inciting and protracting the conflict. There are different sects of Islam which interpret the Jihad differently, but it can’t be denied that a lot of interest group—mostly Christian-hating Progs from Europe and North America—who are fomenting these divisions in Islam for their own profit.

    I’ve read that Christianity is actually growing in Syria, Iraq, and Iran right now. That’s largely both because of the indigenous population’s resistance to the terrorists, but also because Russian military and humanitarian aid showed them that Christians aren’t devils who drop bombs on their houses and steal their resources. A lot of Arabs actually look at Prog degeneracy in the West and equate that with Christianity, since the West is nominally Christian.

    • Will S.

      July 31, 2016 at 10:50 pm

      Well, I didn’t read / listen to his entire speech, but the interpretation that Dreher had seems consistent with the prog mindset of this pope.

      Glad to hear the Lord is growing His church in Mesopotamia. May it increase daily!

      True, many in the Middle East conflate the West with progressivism, and why wouldn’t they…


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