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Donald Trump is no Vladimir Putin

24 Nov

I know some reactionaries are very happy with The Donald’s campaign, and hey, it is encouraging to see someone who articulates politically incorrect sentiments no-one else dares to (such as immigration restrictionism, or dealing firmly with the Islamic threat) receive such high levels of support.

But come on; the guy’s a joker, a clown; he has no fixed principles; he blows with the wind; he’s certainly not a traditionalist Christian, on our side in the cultural war. He’s enjoying notoriety by shooting off his mouth, saying whatever he feels like, whatever will outrage the media and the Republican establishment, and cheer those who enjoy his political incorrectness. (Hey, I enjoy it, too. Doesn’t mean I think he’s the answer.)

Nicole Russell at The Federalist recently compared him to Jesse Ventura, but I think that’s unfair to Jesse Ventura, who, far as I can tell, actually has a set of principles, a worldview to which he adheres – a kind of macho militant atheist libertine libertarianism, as Russell’s article demonstrates. (I’m no fan of Jesse Ventura; never have been; I’ve always loathed everything he stands for. But I’ve always believed in giving the devil his due, so accordingly I’ll give Ventura credit where it’s due.) Whereas, unlike the fake wrestler (since that kind of wrestling is all fake) Ventura, his fellow show-biz entertainer Trump (yes he’s a rich businessman, but he’s an entertainer first) has no principles, whatsoever, other than making money, being popular and infamous, and such.

Don’t get me wrong; I’m not shilling for any of the other GOP candidates; I don’t find any of them appealing.

But Trump is not the great U.S. presidential reactionary hope.

Nobody is.

At least for now.

Too bad Putin can’t run… 😉

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Posted by on November 24, 2015 in America, Life is stranger than fiction

 

35 responses to “Donald Trump is no Vladimir Putin

  1. BC

    November 24, 2015 at 3:32 am

    1. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
    2. Trump is in it for image and legacy. That alone may prevent him from completely betraying the targets of his pandering and/or turning into a failed president like the last few.
    3. He’s entertaining as hell and pisses off (frightens) the establishment.

    I still probably won’t vote, but am enjoying the spectacle from a distance.

     
  2. Will S.

    November 24, 2015 at 3:37 am

    1. Maybe, but is it good, or merely not as mediocre as others’ platforms in some regards?
    2. You figure? He strikes me as more enjoying being in the moment, than one concerned with the long-term. But I could be misreading him entirely, I suppose. I doubt it, though.
    3. Absolutely. As a Canadian, I can’t vote in America’s elections, and I am enjoying the spectacle from this distance; it’s vastly entertaining. I just am hoping my American brothers and fellow reactionaries don’t get their hopes up too high, because I’m convinced they’ll ultimately be dashed.

     
  3. BC

    November 24, 2015 at 5:46 am

    1. In the village of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
    2. My gut says that Trump was in it for fun and attention until he thought that he could actually win. Now, I think he’s going for legacy, especially given the solid white middle-and-working-class positions he is promoting.
    3. Oh, hopes will definitely be dashed, but it’s sure a lot of fun to watch until that happens.

     
  4. Socially Extinct

    November 24, 2015 at 9:32 am

    Putin has a sense of gravity which I value in politicians. Donald Trump has none. In fact, most modern politicians, don’t. Gravity, apparently, is not worth the paper that election donation checks are written on 😉

     
  5. Hoyos

    November 24, 2015 at 9:49 am

    I’m willing to shill for Cruz a bit. If you see his talk inthe Senate on C-Span it’s clear he understands the deep state problem, and it’s generally clear he understands basic American conservatism (which is why he can speak off the cuff without embarrassing himself).

     
  6. weak stream

    November 24, 2015 at 10:17 am

    Donald Trump is a reactionary. The problem is that he will only bring back the order of the ’80’s, both politically and more importantly, financially. And the ’80’s is where the modern financial rot began. A return to propriety as my WW2 Gen grandparents saw it is what is needed. Putin is a Soviet thug. Be careful what you wish for. Trump can piss right along side a guy like Putin. The rest can’t. Both Trump and Putin have a proper sense of male pride and competitiveness. Being in it ‘for fun’ or for ‘image and legacy’ is completely proper. The feminists and other social engineers have degraded male pride to such a degree that even reactionary social commentators no longer notice.

     
  7. AmicusC

    November 24, 2015 at 11:01 am

    i am solidly in the camp that Trump is not the president the US needs, but he is the president they deserve.

    I see this very much as a bulldozer clearing a ramshackle building in order to allow for a proper leader to emerge. any “legitimate” leader could not win in the current climate. Trump is setting a stage for someone as pc uncaring to win without having to be as bombastic as Trump

     
  8. feeriker

    November 24, 2015 at 11:22 am

    Amen, Will. It is a sign of 1) how putrid with ethical and moral rot the Republican establishment is, and 2) what utterly shallow, gutless, talentless castrati the current crop of establishment GOP candidates is that Trump is as popular as he is. It certainly doesn’t surprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else, to see how devoid of principles Trump is; after all, the average Amoricon has none either. Remember that a man of genuine principle, one Ron Paul, attempted to win the GOP nomination in 2012, yet the people who should have flocked to him all but tarred, feathered, and ran him out of town on a rail. That exposed the GOP majority for what they really are and proved to me beyond any doubt that it is a party of amoral scumbags every bit as degenerate and disgusting as the other government party that pretends to be its opposition.

    Oh yes, Vlad would be a great presidential candidate, but this country doesn’t deserve him. He’s leading a country far more worthy of his vision.

     
  9. weak stream

    November 24, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    You guys ever even heard of the Soviet Union? Are you stoned to think that Putin has principles? What principles are they, exactly? Russia is a failed state and without nukes, Russia would have no more influence than Zimbabwe. What you see that you like is a man who acts like a man. Nothing more. Feeriker, “a party of amoral scumbags every bit as degenerate and disgusting as the other government party that pretends to be its opposition.”…totally agree and a nice way to put it.

     
  10. Will S.

    November 24, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    @ SE: Indeed.

    @ Hoyos: My biggest problem with mainstream conservatives is that they’re all warmongers, getting our countries bogged down in pointless foreign wars, which then leads to blowback, such as 9/11, Paris, etc.

    @ weak stream: Yes, Putin is a Soviet thug, an ex-KGB man. He’s also one of the only leaders of a European country to stand for traditional Christianity (in his country’s case, Russian Orthodoxy) and traditional Christian values, over and against feminism and ‘gay rights’. For that reason alone, in a world gone mad, embracing evil, I’ll take the lesser evil, a real man who supports whatever he thinks is good for his country, and opposes whatever he realizes rightly is bad for it. Yay for the ‘Bond villain’ Putin! 😉

    @ AmicusC: Socially Extinct shares your view, and I get that POV; maybe he is the wrecking ball American politics needs…

    @ feeriker: Hear, hear! I liked Ron Paul. I also liked Pat Buchanan. My ideal would be a cross between the two.

     
  11. weak stream

    November 24, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    Will, be careful how you work Christian Values with the Communist wasteland. And it is a wasteland to this day. Putin either doesn’t give a shit for Russia or he’s an idiot. He’s done nothing for Russia other than to advance the oligarch class. Sound familiar? The biggest resource any society has is its people. And they are miserable. The Soviets thought they could outrun the west with an advanced education system. They still had to rip off the ideas from the west because people produce little of value at the point of a gun. Integrity follows from fixed principles only if there are not material and numerous contradictions included. In the real world there was no effective difference between communism, fascism and good old fashioned strongman dictatorship. They’re headed off on cliff, we’re headed off another.

     
  12. Will S.

    November 24, 2015 at 1:25 pm

    A country is better off materially impoverished but in a better spiritual condition than materially wealthy yet spiritually poor. Yes, I wouldn’t want to live in a poor country with an oligarchical class – but I also don’t like living in a rich country where liberalism is triumphant. Anyone who stands against the social liberal / progressive juggernaut is surely doing something laudable, and heroic, defying the prog zeitgeist, and I’ll cheer them on.

     
  13. weak stream

    November 24, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    Will, totally agree about spiritual/material wealth. I don’t think Russia has either and I also believe we’re being run around by oligarchs over here too. All the ‘liberal’ and PC bullshit is to keep the masses in line by professing some moral dimension to total control they exert. I fear the masses are too stupid/indifferent to notice.

     
  14. Noel

    November 24, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    Vladimir Putin – Nationalist, white, christian, male, heterosexual. What is there not to hate. 😉

     
  15. AmicusC

    November 24, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    weak stream, agreed. this is also why not everyone should be allowed to vote. not only do the leeches continuously vote themselves more of everyone elses money, too many of them are too stupid to know what the heck is going on.

     
  16. Eric

    November 24, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    Putin for President and Bashir Assad for VP. That would be bad for Canada though because you’d have Progs streaming across the border like a flood.

    As for Trump, whatever his good points are, the Progs and the RINO/Neocons will team up to see that he never gets elected. We saw this with Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot in the last decade; the Establishment remembers Reagan, and an outsider with popular support will never be allowed in office again.

     
  17. Eric

    November 24, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    Countries like Russia, China, and Syria may have Oligarchies, but they are Oligarchs fighting for the interests of their countries. The Libtard pinheads running the Anglosphere are just fanatics who want to burn everything down.

    It’s also not true that these countries have done nothing for their people. Russia’s educational system is far ahead of ours; their families are strengthening while ours are declining. China has built more infrastructure in the last 3 years than the US has in the last 30.

     
  18. Will S.

    November 25, 2015 at 1:49 am

    @ weakstream, Amicus: Oh, I agree we have oligarchies here, too.

    @ Noel: 🙂

    @ Eric: I was talking with an Assyrian Christian friend; she said she supports Bashir Assad. She pointed out that dictators often bring stability, and used the example of neighbouring Iraq – under Hussein, the country prospered; since his removal, chaos. I told her I agreed; under Tito, the different nationalisms were held in check, and Yugoslavia prospered; post-Tito, chaos and dissolution, wars, atrocities, etc. There is something to be said for a strongman; they maintain order.

    Indeed, I do think Putin has his country’s interests at heart, when he opposes feminism, gay rights, and supports Russian Orthodoxy instead. It’s not for personal gain; he gains nothing personally by championing traditional values.

     
  19. Eric

    November 25, 2015 at 5:40 am

    That’s a good point: if Putin were in it for himself, he’d cave in American Political Correctness like Obama’s toadies in Europe and get paid off for supporting the fags, importing Moslem radicals, and promoting feminism.

    Even FDR, the US’ only president-for-life (whose history has been co-opted radically by the Progs); repealed Prohibition, ended the Depression, won WW2, and strengthened the dollar to its highest levels in history.

     
  20. weak stream

    November 25, 2015 at 11:47 am

    Eric, FDR also created the Economic Bill of Rights. Pure collectivism. Disgusting. Also, it’s well known that the Soviet educational system was superior to the west as it is well known that they produced nothing of value. So the educational system is not what causes human progress. Individual freedom/soveriegnty does. Also, don’t count Trump out. Our culture is at a major turning point now. Gop tards may not be able to stop him as they don’t have another candidate that the public is remotely interested in.

     
  21. Ajax

    November 25, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    Look, Trump may not live up to your standards, but he is the best (viable) choice we’ve had in decades. We could have had Pat Buchanan, or Strom Thurmond before that, or George Patton before that but for obvious reasons those choices never panned out.

    And so he’s not morally pure. He’s like a Carl Schmitt right-winger, hardcore right, nominally Christian, and a bit of a womanizer. What America needs is a man who stands up for Americans and America, we don’t need Ned Flanders as president.

    And the whole clown/joker thing… well, if you’re gonna live in Clown World, you need to be the Clown Prince to rule.

    The actuality of the matter is that Trump really knows how to play the political game and he combines intense charisma with a great political platform that any right-wing shitlord can be proud of. He’s just 3 steps above everyone else and just look at how he gets away with so much even with the media raining down tears and mewls at him. The way he tears apart shitlibs and cuckservatives from limb to limb like an absolute beast is a marvel in it of itself.

    And from what I’ve seen before this run and the apprentice, the man is naturally a serious, sober individual (he was mentored by McCarthy’s right hand man and one of the original John Birchers, Roy Cohn) and this could be an act just to energize the disgruntled and discourage Middle American. The Middle American Revolution that Sam Francis and Chilton Williamson Jr dreamed about has come to fruition. Which gets to another point: the men of Chronicles absolutely love the guy just as much as they like Putin or Assad.

    Once America finally gets the Shitlord Chief that we so desperately need, we can finally liberate you Canadians from your oppressors. Who knows, you might soon after get a Shitlord Prime Minister yourselves.

     
  22. Will S.

    November 26, 2015 at 1:41 am

    We just had such a prime minister; alas, we dumped in favour of a prog Boy Wonder…

    I wouldn’t want a Ned Flanders type, either.

    Trump is your best choice, I agree.

    But he’s not the saviour people are hoping for.

    However, he may be the wrecking ball American politics needs…

     
  23. feeriker

    November 26, 2015 at 5:13 am

    Yes, I wouldn’t want to live in a poor country with an oligarchical class – but I also don’t like living in a rich country where liberalism is triumphant

    Here in the United Fascialist State of Amerika, we live in a “rich” country with an oligarchal class – the worst of both worlds.

     
    • Will S.

      November 26, 2015 at 10:12 am

      Yeah, and I suppose we do too, up here in Canada; we have our own Establishment, and now, we even have a political dynasty, a second generation Trudeau as P.M., just like his father. Ugh.

       
  24. weak stream

    November 26, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    Ajax, completely agree. You must speak the language of a shitlord in order to rule over a society of shitheads. Trump has told feminists, Latino entitlement scumbags and Black Lives Matter shitheads all to go fuck themselves….and you have to start somewhere. The way I see it, whether or not Trump wins the nomination or not matters less than the fact that he’s already moved the center. He’s already cleared the way for a class of citizen truth teller would be politicians. Thanks Donald. Carry on.

     
  25. Eric

    November 26, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    There’s a big difference between governments with some cronyism, and faulty economic policies like FDR’s America was and the modern Progs. Roosevelt wasn’t dumbing down our schools, effacing our heritage, redefining marriage, flooding the country with drugs, outsourcing all our industry, fighting wars on behalf of Wall Street, instigating race wars, and the list could go on. I’d gladly live in the culture that Roosevelt governed over that of Idi Obama.

     
  26. Eric

    November 26, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    Will;

    I agree that Trump is not a savior—it’s really my opinion that America’s too far gone to be saved. I don’t think there will be any change from within—the change is going to come when it’s forced from without.

     
  27. Will S.

    November 27, 2015 at 2:17 am

    Yeah, it may be so. May be the same for Canada, too, and most of the West…

     
  28. weak stream

    November 27, 2015 at 10:12 am

    Eric, agree on both points. Guys like FDR and other early progressives/socialists could be forgiven for being swept away by big govt control. Much of the disastrous unintended consequences of them were unknown at the time. And, yeah, the forces of change will come from outside the US. The question is whether or not someone within the US will help to show the right way and whether the American public is philosophically disciplined enough to go in the right direction.

     
  29. weak stream

    November 27, 2015 at 10:15 am

    Another thought about Trump. I’m from New York and I can tell you that if you speak too softly or too neatly to people there, you’ll get eaten. Trump’s brashness is normal there.

     
  30. Ajax

    November 27, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    I have always felt that Trump is paving the way for the coming national savior.

    Btw, I am certain Trump will win NY State. The Jewish and faggot vote can’t overtake the Upstate and NYC working class vote.

    What’s amusing is how a brash NY personality is winning over Southerners and other flyovers except for the prude, uptight Midwestern Christians.

     
  31. Ajax

    November 27, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    “The way I see it, whether or not Trump wins the nomination or not matters less than the fact that he’s already moved the center.”

    Naw, he has to win to consolidate the gains he’s already made.

     
  32. Ajax

    November 27, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    “We just had such a prime minister; alas, we dumped in favour of a prog Boy Wonder…”

    Trump comes off as an authoritarian rightist unlike Steven Harper who was good guy and conservative but not authoritarian. We need authoritarian at this point in time, the time for civility and discourse has ended. Now it’s time for action and a national rebirth.

     

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