Terror attacks in France come two days after protests against Islamisation and counter-protests against the protests in Germany

07 Jan

On Monday, there were protests in Germany about the Islamization of Europe, and naturally, counter-protests by the Establishment against such protests.

Today, an act of jihadist terror next door in France

Enoch Powell was right, all those years ago…

But nobody listened; Europe opened the floodgates to millions of Muslims; now they live with the effects…

More and more Europeans are waking up to the fact they’ve let in a civilizational enemy they’ve let into their home, a stranger within their gates…

It remains to be seen how they’ll react… Will those apologists who call Islam, as Dubya and the neo-cons did, and as Obama does, a ‘religion of peace’, keep the upper hand? Or will those who are ready to deal with the threat like the English Defence League, Pegida, the Polish Defence League, Marine Le Pen and her Front National, Geert Wilders and the PVV, etc. continue to gain influence?

Time will tell…

We are living in interesting times, as per the old Chinese curse


50 responses to “Terror attacks in France come two days after protests against Islamisation and counter-protests against the protests in Germany

  1. Mark Citadel

    January 7, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Something interesting I’ve noted.

    When Ancient Israel was given its land by God, they were forewarned to keep His laws lest the land vomit them out. Of course, they did disobey and profane the Lord and so the Babylonians laid siege to their towns and enslaved their sons. The Lord used a pagan army to punish Israel for its insolence.

    Centuries later, William Blake would deem Europe the new Israel, with England as its ‘new Jerusalem’.

    It appears the adage “meet the new Israel… same as the old Israel” might be applicable here. Europe, as a center of Modernity has embraced the unquestionable doctrine of multiculturalism and thus signed its death warrant. It is precisely Europe’s decadent modernity and secularism that have laid their necks bare to the sword of Islam.

    Modernity is SUICIDE. Europe must turn back to Traditionalism and Christian nationalism if it is to survive.

  2. Carnivore

    January 7, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    It remains to be seen how they’ll react…

    Even more interesting is how the USA will react when Europe reacts, assuming the USA is still in a position to react.

  3. Prince LaQroix

    January 7, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    I’ll bet that anyone protesting multiculturalism and the mass immigration of muslims to Europe after this episode will still be labelled as Islamophobic. After all these terrorists were just a couple of bad apples, but really how many bad apples will it take till we decide the whole barrel is full of them?

  4. infowarrior1

    January 7, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    This seems to be part of a 2-pronged attack. With one arm colonizing europe and setting up sharia zones. And the other militant arm using violence to intimidate the opponents of colonization(assassinating cartoonists for example) while not be violent on such a scale as to result in a retalitatory war.

  5. Mark Citadel

    January 7, 2015 at 8:08 pm

    Prince LaQroix: Of course. I give the example of Greece, where a truly radical party was gaining ground. The EU quickly put a stop to that and had them thrown in prison on bogus charges. Modernity and liberalism have a commitment to their own suicide. As Napoleon said, don’t interfere. Our enemies are killing themselves.

  6. Will S.

    January 7, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    @ Mark: Indeed; throughout the Old Testament, whenever God’s People Israel were being unfaithful, God used enemy nations to punish them, even to the point of removing them physically from their land, and letting foreigners overrun their land, etc. Europe was Christian, meaning God’s People under the New Testament (New Covenant), but lost faith; and thus, we see Europe and the West being punished in like manner to God’s People under the Old Covenant.

    @ Carnivore: Indeed!

    @ PLQ: No doubt, that’s what the progs will do; double down on ‘diversity’ and ‘inclusivity’, etc.

    @ infowarrior1: Yep, makes sense…

  7. Eric

    January 7, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    France is overdue for a military coup. Every time the politicians screw things up hopelessly in France, the military always has to come in and straighten things out again.

  8. Will S.

    January 7, 2015 at 9:37 pm


    Problem is, it’s not just France…

  9. Eric

    January 7, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    For France and most of Europe, the military still offers some hope. The US military has suffered from so many decades of Liberalist/Neocon mismanagement and social engineering that I doubt if a military junta would be much of an improvement here. The time for that to have happened really would have been in the 1990s.

  10. Will S.

    January 7, 2015 at 10:39 pm

    True, Europe’s militaries have probably been less interfered with, in that regard…

  11. Eric

    January 7, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    You might remember that this happened in France a few years ago (sort of their version of the Ferguson riots) where the Islamic cave-dwellers turned out in the street en masse after the police shot one of their fellow thugs. There was actually talk of a military coup then.

  12. Will S.

    January 7, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    Yes, I remember the huge riots there, then.

  13. pukeko60

    January 8, 2015 at 1:28 am

    Well, some predictions.
    1. The current scandal involving Prince Andrew will implode — courtesy of Dershowitz basically sueing and being countersued by lawyers which means the accusations will now have to be made under oath. At present it is protected and untestable speech. As Cameron (UK PM) is NOT backing the royals, this could feed into the implosion of the tories which will lead to the UKIP winning (or close enough to) and Brexit.
    2. The Greeks will vote in golden dawn and grexit, followed by the PIIGS
    3. That leaves the Germans, who have a visceral commitment to Multiculturalism, provided you are german running a function Mark economy (Holland, the Balts, the Czechs, the Austrians) and the rest of the EU descending to poverty and nationalism.

    I think Europe will throw the islamists out.

    This will cause less blood in the streets than keeping them: did you see that a suicide bomber killed tourists in Instanbul today? I think Turkey is fairly Islamic…

  14. sfcton

    January 8, 2015 at 5:53 am

    Clearly some of y’all have no 1st hand experience with European militaries. The English are still pretty good, the Poles seemed all right and the Czech fight like men. The rest….. not so much and I imagine the Boy Scouts would make a more effective military force then the French or Germans. Hell one, I think the Dutch, have a union and I am pretty sure queers, transgender etc have been welcome in most European militaries for a goodly while yet.

    Also seems to me Will you should be welcoming your new “neighbours”, golden rule and everyone is your neighbour sort of thing

  15. Will S.

    January 8, 2015 at 8:04 am

    Bullshit, sfcton. Our countries are our own; we can choose who we wish to admit. This is where in-group and out-group considerations apply!

  16. Will S.

    January 8, 2015 at 8:06 am

    @ Chris: I hope you’re right, and that they get smart and toss out the Islamaniacs. I also hope the E.U. is smashed, too…

  17. Will S.

    January 8, 2015 at 8:08 am

    Turkey is an officially secular country, but it has Islamist minorities. Frankly, I wish the Islamists would successfully remove it from NATO, the EU, etc.

  18. Eric

    January 8, 2015 at 10:53 am

    After their experiences with the Nazi Blitzkrieg, most European armies changed their tactics from conventional ground forces to elite-trained squads. Their militaries are designed differently than they were prior to 1940, but are still quite formidable.

  19. feeriker

    January 8, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    I think a simple yet effective test for anyone to be allowed to immigrate to and continue to live in any given country would be the “non-aggression” test. It would very simply consist of this: demonstrate that you are capable of leaving your neighvors alone to live in peace as they see fit (so long as they do not harm the persons or property of others), and you can are welcome to stay. However, demonstrate even ONE act of aggressive criminal violence against anyone, and your ass gets deported IMMEDIATELY, assuming that your crime doesn’t meet the criteria for lifelong imprisonment.

    The most obvious practical flaw in such a plan is that both Euromarxists AND Eurofascists (admittedly categories that for all practical purposes include nearly ALL Europeans) don’t advocate or embrace non-aggression either, whether against resident aliens or their own.

  20. Will S.

    January 8, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    @ feeriker:

    demonstrate that you are capable of leaving your neighvors alone to live in peace as they see fit (so long as they do not harm the persons or property of others), and you can are welcome to stay. However, demonstrate even ONE act of aggressive criminal violence against anyone, and your ass gets deported IMMEDIATELY, assuming that your crime doesn’t meet the criteria for lifelong imprisonment.

    I agree; I said as much of course in this post:

    Establish a conditional form of citizenship for newcomers, with provisions that grant them all the same rights as those born here as long as they do not commit a crime, but if they do, no matter how minor, grant the government the ability to strip them of said citizenship and deport them. But give their offspring born here full citizenship, so that if they break the law, they could end up separated from their children.

    As per:

    The most obvious practical flaw in such a plan is that both Euromarxists AND Eurofascists (admittedly categories that for all practical purposes include nearly ALL Europeans) don’t advocate or embrace non-aggression either, whether against resident aliens or their own.

    Alas, there’s nowhere to deport native-born terrorists to – unless perhaps Antarctica. 😉

  21. Mark Citadel

    January 8, 2015 at 6:45 pm


    Number one on your list is possible. Let’s see where this goes.
    Number two is not going to happen. Golden Dawn have current support levels of about 7%, down from their 15% high, mainly due to being imprisoned and illegally starved of funds. More likely is Syriza forces a Grexit when they win the next election and then the financial collapse following that may possible invite a military coup on Golden Dawn’s principles.
    Number three, well we can only hope. I have said before and I’ll say again, without Christianity, no European state will succeed in the coming age of collapse and ruin. Europeans have a choice. Embrace the mantle of loyalty to God once more, or live under Islam. Sorry, a secular counter-Jihad is not going to cut it. There’s nothing to fight for there.

  22. sfcton

    January 8, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    funny how you pick and choose that Will. Some times they are neighbors and the golden rule, sometimes not. I can tell you if I was a hajji, I would want out of hajji land and into the West. Are we not supposed to treat others as we would want to be treated?

    I believe nationalism and nations built on race/ ethnic ties are Biblical but I also don’t think non-kin are neighbors

  23. Will S.

    January 8, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    Not at all. My principle is simple, and is consistent: those born somewhere have the full rights as citizens; those born elsewhere are not citizens, and if admitted, can be admitted conditionally, under whatever conditions we wish to impose upon them.

    I would prefer, as you do, to have nations organized along race / ethnic / religious ties, as much as possible; I don’t believe in any ‘proposition nation’ bullshit. But, that said, once someone is born here, I can’t see it being just to kick them out, even if we decide to, from here on out, strive to be more organized along such lines.

  24. Will S.

    January 8, 2015 at 7:06 pm

    My preference, of course, is to not admit those of an incompatible background, and IMO, Muslims are always incompatible with any non-Muslim society, since, following the principle of Jihad, where the dar-al-Islam is supposed to conquer the dar-al-Harb, they are commanded, by the principles of their Scriptures, to undermine any alien society to which they migrate, and seek to bend it to serving Allah, as they do.

    So, if it were up to me, I’d never have admitted Muslims in the first place to any country in the West.

    But once their offspring are born here, I would consider it wrong to kick them out, as it is to kick anyone out who is born here. Prison if they commit crimes; if we had penal colonies still like Britain had Australia back in the day, sure, we could send them to such. But we don’t have any such place available any more. Some small island in Canada’s High Arctic perhaps might work quite well… 🙂

  25. infowarrior1

    January 8, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    @Will S.

    Well if they join ISIS or its equivalent we can just revoke their passport.

  26. Mark Citadel

    January 8, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    I would say on a Catastrophist theory of Reactionary ascendancy (that this kind of politics will climb to the summit of an ash-heap of collapsed and anarchical states), the idea is that ethnostates will be the emergent type of civilization, much smaller in scale than their previous ‘Modern Nation State’ counterparts.

    In such a society, and indeed in such a world, I don’t see much of a problem with the expulsion of those who are not a fit for the society. This isn’t killing anyone or prosecuting anyone. I want ALL people to have a state that they can call their home, perhaps even a collection of states one could travel between and call home (think: city states of the same ethnicity and culture), but America has pretty much proven that a multi-racial state is generally bad for ALL groups involved. They become polarized, suspicious, parallel, and eventually one could argue ungovernable as a single entity.

    I am not a big believer in the eugenic concept of racial purity, and find much more sense in the ‘race of the spirit’ focus that Evola wrote about. That’s not to say biology isn’t important to race, but I don’t see a problem with, let’s say an Estonian ethno-state that also included its 40% ethnic Russians. The difference between the two in spirit and biology is largely negligible.

    In addition, expulsion from a society as a form of criminal punishment is something I have advocated for, the old concept of ‘exile’. For specific crimes of course, and also as a voluntary option, the future state of the world may make this form of societal retribution feasible once more, as those who are of an Anti-Traditional mindset cannot really be reformed by corporal punishment, nor do I have any desire to ‘re-educate’ them in the true sense of the word. Exile for those who clearly reject what the society works towards seems to me like fair recourse.

  27. Will S.

    January 8, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    I certainly would love to expel those who are truly enemies of civilization, period, i.e. sustainable civilization, i.e. progs. Again, I warm to the idea of exile to Antarctica, a place mostly not claimed by states / or whose claims are rejected by the main powers. 🙂

    And exiling other criminals there would also seem fair. 🙂

  28. Carnivore

    January 8, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    Bullshit, sfcton. Our countries are our own; we can choose who we wish to admit. This is where in-group and out-group considerations apply!

    Unfortunately, current, main stream Christianity gives the impression of a sit-down and give-up attitude (e.g. the Cologne cathedral turning off its lights) when it comes to concepts of nations, peoples and races. Nothing could be further from the truth. From the Catholic perspective, just look at St. Louis (Louis IX, king of France). St. Louis, Missouri is his namesake. The man was very devout, fought in two crusades, outlawed usury and expelled Jews who lent with usury from France, in addition to ordering the burning of the Talmud. He protected his people and is canonized.

    • Will S.

      January 8, 2015 at 11:42 pm

      Alas, indeed, Carnivore. I was speaking in terms of ideal, not current realities, which are much less than that…

  29. Eric

    January 9, 2015 at 1:11 am

    Deport two progs for every immigrant and the US and Canada would both turn around in less than a decade.

    And the problem of Islamization would go away too, since the progs support anybody who hates Western Civilization.

  30. feeriker

    January 9, 2015 at 1:53 am

    Muslims are always incompatible with any non-Muslim society

    Yes, and this is principally because Islam does not separate Masjid and State. It is theocratic to its core as a matter of doctrine.

  31. Mark Citadel

    January 9, 2015 at 1:54 am

    Carnivore: Worth pointing out , I abhor the actions of the Cologne Cathedral especially as Pegida unlike various other counterparts, has a Christin rooting rather than an ostensibly secular one. To turn off the lights as a snub to protesters is a real slap in the face not only to Christians in Germany, but the scores of Christians being murdered by Muslims in the Middle East. The churchmen stain these wonderful buildings when they engage in such buffoonery.

  32. JF

    January 9, 2015 at 10:00 am

    As bad as illegal and legal invasion of Muslims is, and as bad as Muslim terrorism is, it is only the second-greatest problem of today. The bigger problem is much, much, MUCH bigger. The bigger problem? Ah, that’s where I part company from many of you. However, I am in perfect agreement with all of the original Reformers: Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, the Anabaptists, the Waldenses, the Hussites, and with the later lights like Spurgeon and others, et al.
    We protestants have had our history stolen from us. Our media is controlled and our history books have been scrubbed and our true historical education system, the one from the 1800s, usurped and debauched. And it is going to cost our flesh dearly, so very, very dearly.

    Note that I am not going to get into any debates about this. I have the facts before me, loads of suppressed and out-of-print books I have on my bookshelves next to me, some of them going back to the early 1800s, and at least half of them by American authors. I post this once and I am out of this thread for good. I’m not yet ready to be burned at the stake by modern disciples of Aquinas and Loyola (who were both in favor of burning “heretics” at the stake–true fact, by the way).
    Those today who claim Christ as their Savior who rail after Islam are like the bull that charges after the red, provocative, waving cape; they entirely don’t see the Matador who is waving the cape, manipulating the cape and the bull.
    The one single Institution on Earth that has genocided more Scripture-believing Christians than any other is NOT Islam. And it never will be.
    Sorry for the shit storm this will dredge up, but sometimes I just have to speak out truth and I can’t help myself. Again, I will not add any more to this, though I certainly am factually capable.
    ‘Nuff said.

  33. Will S.

    January 9, 2015 at 10:13 am

    @ Eric: Where would we deport progs to? 🙂

    @ feeriker: Exactly.

    @ JF: I’m Protestant, like you. Others here are not.

    I don’t believe that the Vatican deliberately created Islam; I don’t hold to such conspiracy theories.

    We indeed won’t be getting into debates about the Reformation, as our site is pan-traditionalist; as strongly as we hold to our respective traditions, in opposing various threats to our common civilization today (because Western civilization is a mix, after all), such as progressivism, esp. feminism, and Islam, we find it more profitable, at least for now, to focus on what we hold in common, and who we have in common as enemies.

    So we won’t be getting into a discussion of your conspiracy theory above; there will be no shit storm. Period.

    I will ask you not to bother pursuing this line of discussion further here, if you wish to continue participating here. You have your own website where you can surely discuss such matters with anyone who wishes to discuss them with you; it needn’t be done here, and it won’t be.

    Thanks for your understanding.

  34. Will S.

    January 9, 2015 at 10:20 am

    JF has said he’s not going to continue discussing what he just posted in this thread, and I will ask everyone that we not address that subject here, since we are a pan-traditionalist site here. He has his own site, if anyone wishes to take it up with him, there.

    Thanks for your understanding.

  35. Eric

    January 9, 2015 at 10:49 am

    LOL—you’d be surprised if you knew all the problems the Vatican’s been accusing of creating through the centuries.

    As for deporting progs, I once suggested that the US seize the island of Hispanola, offer all the Haitians and Dominicans free houses in the US in exchange for deporting all our bums and habitual criminals there and deporting the progs along with them to be their government. But the newspaper didn’t print that suggestion…

  36. Eric

    January 9, 2015 at 10:51 am

    This morning it was reported that the Jihadi thugs in France have apparently taken hostages and barricaded themselves in a building. Breaking news, so there will be updates soon. They say they want to die martyrs: I hope France follows Russia’s example and gives them their wish.

  37. Will S.

    January 9, 2015 at 11:06 am

    @ Eric: Oh, I’m well aware of various accusations; some of them are way, way out there. 🙂

    And as a Protestant, I certainly do have my own issues with the Vatican.

    But of course, I choose not to get into that kind of thing here. 🙂

    Hmm, that’s an idea! Hispaniola’s not very far away, though; they could easily make their way back, even by boat…

    Re: the hostage situation: I hope no hostages are killed, though; the French will need good rifle scopes and a very sharp-shooter, in a good position, to only pick off the mujahideen. 🙂

  38. Will S.

    January 9, 2015 at 11:28 am

    (Just to briefly elaborate then shut up, my issues are theological; I’ve never gone in for the crazy conspiracy theories I’ve heard… People are shitty at keeping secrets; the big conspiracy theories require one to believe that people are capable of keeping really big secrets, without any leaks.)

  39. Eric

    January 9, 2015 at 11:28 am

    Well, I’m Catholic and even we have issues with the Vatican sometimes.

    As for Hispaniola, mining the coastline would take care of that; although it’s probably a safe bet that building boats is beyond the capability of the people we’d deport there.

    It’s interesting that the French, like Canada recently did in a terror attack, refused any of Obama’s offers of ‘assistance’. LOL Looks like both of them are handling the situation better on their own. Obama’s strategy so far is to deny that Radical Islam has anything to do with attacks here, and then bomb Syria the next day.

  40. Will S.

    January 9, 2015 at 11:31 am

    Exactly; issues are one thing, but believing in nutty conspiracies; people aren’t capable of keeping big secrets…

    While I suppose it’s nice enough for Obama to offer assistance, nobody needs outside help with home-grown terrorism; it’s a local problem, needing local solutions…

    And yeah, Obama doesn’t exactly inspire confidence… 😉

  41. feeriker

    January 9, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    And yeah, Obama doesn’t exactly inspire confidence

    What marionette ever does (in anyone with a functioning brainstem)?

  42. Eric

    January 9, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    Some good news: the French are reporting that their special forces have just sent the Jihadi thugs to Tartarus and the hostages have been freed unharmed.

    The day’s off to a good start! LOL

    • Will S.

      January 9, 2015 at 12:30 pm

      @ feeriker: Ha! 🙂

      @ Eric: Good news, indeed! Great way to start the weekend. 🙂

  43. infowarrior1

    January 9, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    @Mark Citadel

    Unlikely that atheist’s will embrace magical woo woo as they would like to call it based on a story good for only children:

    And the usual trope of the lack of evidence for his existence.


Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Logo

You are commenting using your account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s