Think the 50s were a Golden Age? The spores of rot were already present

31 Dec

They just took a little while to grow. While reading reviews on a book on usury, I elected to read the comments on the most popular review. You find the most amazing things on teh interwebz.

The 1950s were not fantastic: The culture was awash in Freudian quackery at all levels, Blank Slatist nonsense went virtually unchallenged among the elite and secular hedonist consumerism clearly dominated over any other worldview.

In addition, the Frankfurt School’s The Authoritarian Personality attacked Christianity, the traditional family and called for a preemptive “denazification” program to reeducate the American goyim-it was highly successful. Social democrat Christopher Lasch argued that by equating mental health with left-wing politics and associating right-wing politics with an invented “authoritarian” pathology, the book’s goal was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy-by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.”

Neo-Spenglerian Francis Parker Yockey writing in 1948! 1948! 1948! :

“The message of Hollywood is the total, significance of the isolated individual, stateless and rootless, outside of society and family, whose life is the pursuit of money and erotic pleasure. It is not the normal and healthy love of man and wife bound together by many children that Hollywood preaches, but a diseased erotic-for-its-own sake, the sexual love of two grains of human sand, superficial and impermanent. Before this highest of all Hollywood’s values everything else must stand aside: marriage, honor, duty, patriotism, sternness dedication to self to a higher aim. This ghastly distortion of sexual life has created the erotomania that obsesses millions of victims in America, and which has now been brought to the Mother-soil of Europe by the American invasion.”

“Hollywood-feminism has created a woman who is no longer a woman but cannot be a man, and a man who is devirilized into an indeterminate thing. The name given to this process is “the setting free” of woman and it is done in the name of “happiness,” the magic word of the liberal-communist-democratic doctrine.”

Now, this is clearly un-precedented. No one else made these sorts of observations in the late 40s. Oh, wait: as we blogged 30 months ago, Sayyid Qutb wrote in The America I Have Seen that:

“The American girl is well acquainted with her body’s seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs and she knows all this and does not hide it…Then she adds to all this the fetching laugh, the naked looks, and the bold moves, and she does not ignore this for one moment or forget it!” …

The gender roles have become muddled and women no longer fulfill their obligation to be dedicated mothers on both the physical and spiritual levels. Instead, he argues, women have dedicated themselves to work. They view dedicated motherhood as squandering their talents and abilities. Qutb points to this concept as a manifestation of the backward materialist values of Western society, where “material production is regarded as more important, more valuable and more honorable than the development of human character.” …

Qutb identified the gaining acceptance of homosexuality as another example of the animalistic sexual permissiveness that typifies Western society. Due to this permissiveness, Qutb asserts that the Western family has become impotent as a positive moral force.

The rot was noticed by astute observers, long before it became undeniable. Perhaps, like the original review on the book on usury would suggest, the rot began when usury was no longer a sin, and a usurious society set about unleashing a whole host of other sins. If so, we have a LOT of work in front of us.


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43 responses to “Think the 50s were a Golden Age? The spores of rot were already present

  1. cecilhenry

    December 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    ‘Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white’ has been in effect for a LONG time.

  2. lgrobins

    December 31, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    “The rot was noticed by astute observers, long before it became undeniable.”

    Just like the rot in the manosphere is being noticed.

  3. Peter Blood

    December 31, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Necessary reading: Whittaker Chambers “WItness”, “Suicide of the West” by James Burnham. Already they were identifying the decline and the leftist takeover.

    Also, Akinokure’s blog “Face to Face” identifies the 50s as a peak cocooning age, much like today, and has characterized it in lurid detail.

    The 50s aren’t a golden age, but they can be useful to troll the left with, as the left thinks the 50s are the right’s Golden Age.

  4. Will S.

    December 31, 2014 at 5:47 pm


    Peter brings up how the Left views the ’50s; I think it’s analogous to how they view Sarah Palin, and whether wittingly or not, both serve to falsely encourage the Right to rally around that which is already severely compromised – which, insofar as conservatives take the bait, ends up still pushing the range in the Left’s favoured direction of tendencies. We should resist their goalpost-moving, of course.

  5. superslaviswife

    December 31, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    It’s something about the decline of societies. Civilization plus ice-age results in fewer diseases. Those people who survive the initial cold have only to deal with the brutalities of everyday life, not the random destruction of numerous air-borne and insect-borne illness that so often ravages warmer areas. This less random deathrate and harsher climate promotes development. When the ice recedes, the development they made allows for greater freedoms, more primitive lifestyles, until the ice returns. So we live, with the climate, becoming wiser and stronger with every ice-age, watching the snowball of development grow and shrink with the ice. But some societies become too great. Expand into empires with unlimited development. As the empire grows, so does its success and it laziness. Suddenly, societies don’t return to productivity as the ice returns. Empires can afford to feed the feeble and idle. People get idler and idler until the empire collapses.

    In other words, this has been on its way since the mini-ice-age that promoted the Renaissance, since the Romance era allowed for massive imperial expansion, since the Victorians experienced peak productivity. We’re living in the dying throes of an empire which the last mini-ice-age enabled.

  6. infowarrior1

    December 31, 2014 at 7:16 pm


    Looks like MGTOW is the new male space. If the official manosphere fails all that will remain is the network of ”men going their own way.” Or is that going to be corrupted too despite being all-male?

  7. Carnivore

    December 31, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Yeah, so Pope Pius XII said: “Now many girls do not see anything wrong with following certain shameless styles (fashions) like so many sheep. They would surely blush if they could only guess the impressions they make and the feelings they evoke (arouse) in those who see them.” (July 17, 1954.)

    But then, from even earlier: Pope Pius XI, issued emphatic instructions on modesty of dress to all bishops, directing them to insist on these prescriptions: “We recall that a dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knee. Furthermore, dresses of transparent material are improper.(January 12, 1930)

    OT: You lookin’ for a usury book? I just finished “The Church and the Usurers: Unprofitable Lending for the Modern Economy” but am going to wade through it a second time; didn’t sink in. Zippy Catholic has something a bit easier to absorb:

    I have to take a closer look at Hoffman’s writings. He’s got a handful of youtube videos.

  8. Kilrud

    December 31, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    Ecc 7:10 “Say not thou, What is the cause that the former days were better than these? for thou dost not enquire wisely concerning this.”

    Interesting stuff. Finding my faith again started happening about a year after I stopped being a gung-ho Ancap/agorist, so I never though much about the issue of usury. But in a way, it’s one of the more important issues of Austrian economics, as many see it as embezzlement due to the fact that the bank cannot honor all contracts at once. But interest on loans are seen as fine when you factor in time preference. Which relates to…

    @Carnivore: I’m reading the ZippyCatholic entry and right here:
    “Imagine that Bob lends Harry $100, Harry lends Fred $100, and Fred lends Bob $100. They each spend the money on beer, and charge 10% interest in the form of a deferred fee. The contracts attempt to entitle each of them to an additional $10 – for a total of $30. This $30 worth of new financial entitlements on the books is not connected to anything ontologically real.”

    I may be missing something, but the time it would take each man to earn $100 is ontologically real. He addresses it later, but of course, being a Catholic he mostly appeals to Tradition (with a capital T). But in saying opportunity cost is not real, it does raise the question: if it is a real opportunity why not just take it yourself?

    @Will: Spot on about Conservatives being baited into supporting inherently liberal things just because the “Liberals” are always two steps ahead. I wonder how many progressives use hatred for “Old Whigs” as the Dark Enlightenment folks would call ’em, to perform the liberalizing ratchet effect on the West. They would have to be Frankfurt level, as the rank and file seems to genuinely hate the 50’s and Sarah Palin.

    It’s funny; after simply reading the title of this article, my mind immediately jumped to ol’ Qutb. Despite revitalizing Islamic extremism and being a socialist, the seemed sharp about our culture (if only because he viewed things as an outsider not steeped in Western decadence). But before picking up a copy of Milestones, I would suggest The Quest for Community written by Robert Nisbet in 1953

    @superslaviswife So you’re saying “Winter is Coming”?

    Slightly on topic: after downloading the newest alpha build of Dwarf Fortress and reading this, I’m reminded of a video by fringeelements/Ryan Faulk from a few years back talking about the popularity of Minecraft being a “Sign of a a collapsing civilization.” due to people who would normally learn a trade and build things being duped into dropping 6 figures they don’t have on a 4-year college education, and how college environment, in general, is bureaucratic and conformist rather than about exploration, learning , and building. I think Minecraft may be more of a positive feedback loop than a simple outlet, though…think porn to sex. In any case, the description of the Hollywood ideal (which is surprisingly Randian) described by Yockey seems to have become the norm, sans the glamour fulfillment. And it makes me think of one reason I play the game: while it more than inspired the creation of Minecaft (and possibly started this recent craze of survival/sandbox games) it is several times more involved to where you indirectly control a growing colony of dwarves as they work together from eking out a living threatened by local wildlife to creating a thriving hub of civilization that attracts the greed of goblins, all the while creating close friendships, rivalries, getting married, and raising children. It emulates sense of meaning as they create something grand, like in the stories of 1 Kings and Ezra/Nehemiah. Something that seems lacking even as I serve at church, and try to be there for my family.

    I’m happy I can search for that meaning, as I could have easily kept filling myself with Hollywood bile without questioning the narrative.

  9. Will S.

    December 31, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    @ Kilrud: Indeed, I’m inclined to agree with you that regular, rank and file progs / SJWs do indeed truly hate the ’50s and Sarah Palin for their ostensible ‘conservatism’, and are simply ‘useful idiots’ for those behind them, pulling their strings, who damn well know what they’re doing.

  10. Eric

    January 1, 2015 at 1:02 am

    Consider these numbers as a theory on what happened by the 1950s:

    The US Civil War—– 646, 392 casualties.

    World War 1———– 320,518 casualties.

    World War 2———-1, 076, 245 casualties.

    Between 1861 and 1945, the United States lost over 2 million of its best men, within barely two generations. Our population was much lower then that it is now, about 60 million in 1861 and 100 million in 1945. Many societies simply can’t absorb these kinds of losses in their gene pools without feeling some effect.

  11. Eric

    January 1, 2015 at 1:14 am

    LOL—true. But hopefully enough men will wake up to it and turn it around before it’s too late.

  12. Will S.

    January 1, 2015 at 10:11 am

    @ Eric: Indeed.

  13. Lena S.

    January 1, 2015 at 10:12 am


    By the time most people “wake up” it’s already too late for them to do anything with what’s left. That’s how it always works. It is exceedingly difficult to “wake people up”. A couple of years ago I wrote a post about how there is more than one “red pill” and that “the red pill” just becomes another “blue pill”, and I see that playing out all the time. I could probably detail that but I am not particularly moved to bother.

    Sorry to be such a pessimist, but no one listens to the people way out in front giving out the warnings. And I’m not talking about Infowars or whatever bunch of “people are waking up!!1!!” type thing people listen to now.

    No prophet is accepted in his own country. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. All we’re really doing here is watching it happen.

  14. 7man

    January 1, 2015 at 11:49 am

    Happy New Year. I think 2015 will be a swirl. Here is one article and one audio to give people a heads-up.

    I wonder how many of those that consider themselves “awake” are aware of any of this stuff. The future has been planned for decades, if not longer.

  15. lgrobins

    January 1, 2015 at 11:56 am

    Yup, I’ve been in the “light your pipe and fold your arms” position for a long time. Not trying to save society. Posting about the evils of feminism is less than a drop in the bucket of what it takes. So, I just observe and render opinions. Its entertainment for the last days.

    See this post….

    “In the excellent book, “What’s Wrong With Benevolence: Happiness, Private Property, and the Limits of Enlightenment“, author David Stove, ends with the following:

    “There is a story in American literature somewhere, but I cannot remember where, of a solitary Indian in his canoe, who has been fishing many miles upstream from Niagara Falls. Despite all his local knowledge, he makes some slight misjudgment of time, or wind, or water, and finds himself surprised by the current. For hours he puts forth all his strength in trying to reach the shore, but long before the fatal event itself, he passes a point at which his diminishing strength, and the increasing strength of the current, make further resistance vain. He then ships his paddle, lights his pipe, and folds his arms.

    In the circumstances those are the actions of a rational man. Similarly, in my opinion, the world-current of Enlightened benevolence is now so strong, and we have been launched upon it for so many years, that we passed the point of no return a long time ago, and will, if we are rational, emulate the Indian in the story.”

  16. Will S.

    January 1, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    Hence ‘Enjoy the Decline!’.

  17. Zippy

    January 1, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    I may be missing something, but the time it would take each man to earn $100 is ontologically real.

    See questions 15 through 17 of the Usury FAQ (among others).

    Time does not exist an an objective piece of property which can be alienated from its owner and sold to a buyer. I deal with the various objections in a number of places. But if time were objectively real property which can be bought and sold, then when the borrower stops making payments the lender would be able to foreclose on the property (the time), liquidate it by selling it to someone else, and recover his investment.

    This same sort of analysis demonstrates why opportunity costs (and the future labor of a worker) are not ontologically real property which can be bought and sold. If opportunity cost were ontologically real property then the lender who sold his opportunity cost to the borrower would be able to foreclose and recover it specifically – as if it were a house or a car or what have you – in a case of default: the lender would be able to do this even if the borrower skipped town or died. The fact that the lender has nothing ontologically real to repossess demonstrates that what he sold to the borrower does not exist.

    Aquinas was right all along that usury involves the sale of what does not exist, and only brain damaged modern modes of thought make this other than obvious.

    It is true enough though that my understanding is unapologetically papist.

    And Happy New Year to y’all.

  18. superslaviswife

    January 1, 2015 at 3:36 pm


    Interesting on Minecraft. I guess for every natural behaviour and urge we must suppress, there is a mind-numbing drug or socially-approved outlet. And even straying beyond the socially-approved outlet into a different one, as you have done, seems to be often frowned upon. Likely because it reminds you of what you could have had in a freer, wilder, harsher society and your peers and superiors don’t like you thinking about everything they’re stopping you from doing.

    I actually had a customer a while back that wanted me to write stories from the perspective of his favourite game character. Someone paying me to create a fantasy life where he could be the big man and achieve everything that is unavailable to him in the modern world. It’s astonishing how reliant we become on these surrogates.

  19. Mark Citadel

    January 1, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    It is very perceptive to notice this, and I find it to be the real faultline between Conservatives and Reactionaries.

    A Conservative says to me “the 50s were a great time.”

    My response is “yeah… the 1450s.”

  20. Mark Citadel

    January 1, 2015 at 5:56 pm

    @ Lena S – I have found encouragement in this regard through the works of Julius Evola, who spent a lot of time studying hermetic ties between Ancient Religions, and the common prediction of decline and cataclysmic among them. One of these hermetic principles that closely aligns with the Abrahamic prophesy of the statue with different material sections (Daniel) is the Hindu ‘Doctrine of the Ages’ which predicts a slow decline in all things great to what is called the ‘Age of Kali’ or Kali Yuga, whereupon greatness will be restored from the ashes.

    If true, (and assuming we are not in fact in the foretold Last Days before the Second Coming in which case all bets are off), then the end of this Age is inevitable. It doesn’t matter how great or powerful our enemies are, they are doomed to failure and their civilization will be caught up in immolation. The World of Tradition is destined to return, and the Modern World will be struck from this earth.

    My personal assumption is that this will actually come via Biblical means, plague, devastation, famine, heck you only have to look at the speculation on what would happen if electricity was cut to America for a mere week. The chaos would be astronomical. In fact, never has the world been more primed for a Great Reset, because very little is isolated anymore. If one domino falls in a distant land it can bring empires to their knees in our globalized world.

    My view of the Reactionaries who are doing the intellectual and ideological t-crossing and i-dotting now with the recent spike in internet-based networking (writing the final chapter in what Joseph De Maistre started hundreds of years ago), is that we are laying the groundwork for what will come next if indeed anything comes next. The architects of the next Golden Age are alive today, and with increasing certainty, i think its soldiers may be as well, whether or not they know it yet.

  21. lgrobins

    January 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    Not sure what can go wrong with MGTOW. They tend to really mean what they say about avoiding women and don’t orbit, etc. It is those men in the sphere who are still pining for the perfect wife that they eagerly invite women into commenting in males spaces. This is where it gets dicey. The siren song and all that again.

  22. electricangel

    January 2, 2015 at 6:07 pm


    I think of it as an anti-Catholic Kulturkampf that has now started to eat what’s left of Protestant America. The high and fundie protestants put in place the 1924 immigration act to shut off new supply of Catholics. Then, the war that FDR gins up needs men in Northern factories, and there are no available laborers except for southern blacks unemployed by the mechanical cotton picker. These are used by WASP Republican mayors to target Catholic, Democratic, ethnic neighborhoods (happened in Detroit and Philly, less so in NYC and Boston).

    Of course, the effort to break up white ethnic neighborhoods never ended. Now the Progressive elites have white against black, Prot against Papist, and they sit back and collect.

  23. Mark Citadel

    January 2, 2015 at 6:44 pm


    And the white vs. black bonfire is right now burning at its peak ferocity, at least since the 90s. Though I must say I view racial tension as a good thing for our cause. In spite of liberal indoctrination, race is still pretty essential to who we are and as anti-white sentiment grows across America, many whites may begin to feel under threat and do some digging on their own corrupt leadership that cheers on the animals of Al Sharpton’s ranks.

    Thus, further disillusionment and disenfranchisement. Very much like the Matrix, we have to actually wake people up to the hell they are in.

  24. sfcton

    January 3, 2015 at 8:11 am

    LOL this helps explain why I say I look much further into our past then 1950 to find my traditionalism.

    Last month I paid off my home and am as free from usury as a man can be and still need a bank account for direct deposits and what not.

    There is a book called long march of…. something or another that talks about the social rot being well established by the ’50’s. Mostly everything tearing up.the West today was alive and well and growing in 1950 or earlier.

    The usa was doomed when it allowed so many catholics in. Y’all have been a driving engine of the progressive movement. Your voting record backs this up. Why catholics want to deny this reality makes sense but that so many believe their own lies doesn’t. The nation was free,prosperous and strong when it was anti catholic, anti semtic, rascist etc.

  25. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 4:39 pm


    Thanks for another pointer to Suicide of the West. It’s a New Year’s resolution to read it.

  26. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 4:43 pm


    A genuinely fascinating thesis. Have you a link to a longer exposition on the Ice Age part? It seems clear that surviving outside of Africa requires long-range planning to not starve to death in winter, that free insecticide that keeps pestilence in check. That need for long-range planning also aids living in cities.

    I do note that you have fallen for one bit of propaganda, however. Read this and learn never to use Petrarch’s pretty lie again.

  27. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 4:48 pm


    I don’t think it fails, but it changes. Fundamental truths about men and women cannot go away, but the way they get applied will.

    In real life, I apply things learned in the ‘sphere with benevolent effect, on both young men and young women in their 20s. Deprogramming is hard work, but it’s my calling, and everyone who abandons a lie for the truth they know to be true is one more victory over the Tempter. It’s also, per my last post, a lot of fun.

    I think of the movie “Unbreakable” in this regard, as (weak, evil) Samuel L Jackson asks (humble, strong, good) Bruce Willis if he doesn’t wake up each day a little sad. When Willis discovers his calling to strongly fight on the side of good, his sadness leaves him.

    Ask yourself how many people today are depressed, and then ask why.

  28. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm


    Am honored by your comment, (I assume) sir. Great civilizations give even minor people the sense that they are taking part in something great. Collapsing ones give even great people the sense of futility we see in this one. I’ll muse on that idea in a few days.

  29. Mark Citadel

    January 3, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    The United States would have been infinitely better had Washington declared himself a king and instituted a church, which he did have enough backing to do.

  30. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 8:21 pm


    Thanks for the rec to The Church and the Usurers: Unprofitable Lending for the Modern Economy. Did it make a convincing case? Care to do a book review?

    I’ve wondered if usury isn’t the ur-sin of the age. I will wend through Zippy’s links. It just seems that numbers have gone from servant to master.

  31. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 8:32 pm


    It was always my understanding that all the men killed in all the wars that America has fought against others did not exceed the number killed in the War for Southern Independence. Casualties, of course, include wounded.

    Still, there is a point made years back about female behavior. In a society that frowned on bastardy, people still had sex before marriage but often got married when an “oops” occurred. But each woman from 1861-1945 knew that if she got “in a family way” or had a reputation, she would lose the chance at marriage. By killing off SO many men, the “Civil War” and WW2 helped to make men scarce relative to women. So long as marriage was still the goal, it meant better behavior from women to compete for men to marry them.

    In some sense, I think this is what drives gay propaganda now, an effort by elites to drive down the supply of men interested in marriage. Maybe, to give those men a sexual outlet to make up for the fact that there simply aren’t enough marriageable women left (and that is basically a math function. You have a 1/(N+1) chance of being the best man her heart has ever known, where N is the famous N. As N grows, chances drop, and frankly a 1/3rd chance is not high enough to risk marriage in this society.)

  32. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 8:40 pm


    No prophet is accepted in his own country. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. All we’re really doing here is watching it happen.
    Screw the country. I have no megaphone. I have learned a LOT from around the ‘sphere, but as my pope always says, faith without works is… something or other. It’s probably in the Bible somewhere. Ask a Protestant.

    What I do know is that I can count on more than the fingers I type with that I have changed several lives with knowledge from the ‘sphere. I don’t know about online, but I do know about in person. Like the story of the starfish, millions on them, stranded on the beach after a storm, with a boy throwing them back into the water (note: as a fan of clams, I hate this story, but still.) A man upbraids him: “Don’t be ridiculous! You cannot possibly do anything for all these starfish.” The boy throws a starfish back into the ocean: “Made a difference for that one.”

    In truth, accepting that it’s going to get worse means I’ve been much happier. It’s a big mountain, but gutta cavat lapidem. As the Jews says, “Whoever saves one life saves the world entire.”

  33. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 8:47 pm


    I shall steal your line about “the 1450s.” Except, perhaps, the 1250s, before the Black Death shook everything up so, would be more appropriate. And, need I remind you that Constantinople fell in 1453, May 29th if I recall. But it’s clear what followed in the 500 years after the 1450s; what follows until 2450 does not look as promising for most people, compared to today.

    you only have to look at the speculation on what would happen if electricity was cut to America for a mere week.
    I don’t need to speculate. In the aftermath of Superstorm Sandy, we lost power for about a week. Most of my area was without power. Rather than chaos, I have to tell you that I LOVED that time. I got a generator and supplied power to my neighbors, and we jury rigged the heating in two buildings so that heat was available. We came together as a neighborhood and endured. It was wonderful. What was amazing to see was how quickly traditional sex roles returned, with men striding to protect and women striving to nurture and create order in chaos for their children and families.

  34. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 8:55 pm


    Thanks for the second comment. I did not recognize the source of your first.

    I think so much of it is Kubler-Ross, as I discussed in my last post. So many men spend so long in denial; many cough up the red pill when they take it. Then they get angry, maybe open a blog, maybe contribute a few ideas to the MSBoK. Then, they move to the bargaining stage, and that’s where they try and have a woman under blue pill thinking with some red pill knowledge comes from. That does not work. When it does not work, they go into depression.

    I think it’s very common for men to get stuck for a LONG time in each of these stages. I know I went through anger, and spent a long time in depression, too. Now, acceptance, and I see others on the road. I will help them along where I can.

  35. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 9:38 pm


    The usa was doomed when it allowed so many catholics in. Y’all have been a driving engine of the progressive movement. Your voting record backs this up. Why catholics want to deny this reality makes sense but that so many believe their own lies doesn’t. The nation was free,prosperous and strong when it was anti catholic, anti semtic, rascist etc.

    As resident Papist here, I would probably surprise you to say that I largely agree with you. I think, following many streams of thought (try Matt Forney, here), that the US Government, as constituted, and the Catholic Church, as it existed before Vatican II, were completely incompatible.

    As noted in the OP, “the Frankfurt School’s The Authoritarian Personality attacked Christianity.” Except: this is not really true. It was aimed not at Christianity, but Catholicism. The history of the smear is traced out in E. Michael Jones’ The Slaughter of Cities, which we talked about here. Pre-Vatican II Catholicism, with its own schools, colleges, hospitals, charities, and social agencies, was a formidable threat to the corrupt power structure in the USA, and it HAD to be destroyed: the two cannot co-exist, unlike the many religions that survive in India. It largely was, and all those Catholics (well, most of them) are now as in-line with the Progressive Agenda as most mainline Protestants.

    As to your comment, kindly note the following. First, Maryland was explicitly founded as a Catholic colony, so if you didn’t want Catholics in the USA, you needed to exclude Maryland from the Constitution. Second, if you didn’t want Catholics, you needed to keep your mitts off areas, like Louisiana, Florida, and Mexico, where so many of them lived (or, killed off the inhabitants.) Greed for land, for “more,” serving the demon Mammon who is the demon not of money but more (and as such, is the chief demon of the age, thus my research into usury) is what forced the New England Calvinists (completely unlike the Dutchies, who could never come up with most of the PC crap that the New Englanders did) to swallow up all that territory. My suspicion is, they knew they could win at ideological warfare against the Church and so the nominal religion of the Catholics was no problem. They would all wind up serving the real whore of Babylon on the Potomac.

  36. electricangel

    January 3, 2015 at 9:51 pm


    My ideal government was the Hapsburg empire. Great art, great food, Catholic (but not forceful about it, unless you wanted a government job, and then you had to convert, Like Mahler). I’d take the Hannover Kings as rules of the USA now, too: recall that the King’s tax burthen (for you, Will) at the time of the revolution was about 3%. Recall, also, that the impetus for the Constitution was to turn a huge profit for speculators in the debt of the several states, which the new Federal government assumed. An example of usury driving public policy.

  37. infowarrior1

    January 4, 2015 at 3:55 am


    ”My ideal government was the Hapsburg empire. Great art, great food, Catholic (but not forceful about it, unless you wanted a government job, and then you had to convert, Like Mahler).”

    A shame that they degraded their gene pool by too much inbreeding. However if monarchy rises again they will have the opportunity to eliminate many of the diseases that may lay latent in their royal line before their descendants even start to exist due to genetic modification technology.

  38. Carnivore

    January 4, 2015 at 7:40 pm

    Unfortunately, I had to put that book down and take several breaks of multiple weeks. Will have to go through it again to do a review. It was OK, but the author seemed to repeat some info multiple times in different chapters. Some topics needed a clearer explanation for my dense head. I think a second go-through will do the trick.

    In any event, before I revisit that book, I’m going to tackle another book – a Christmas present I gave myself. The final paragraph on the final page piqued 😉 my interest:

    Capitalism and Catholicism, far from being compatible, are antithetical. Capitalism is state-sponsored usury; Catholicism, the traditional foe of usury, believes in the priority of labor. There is no way to resolve this dichotomy. One system must prevail over the other. Non datur tertius.

    I say ‘tackle’ because this is the E. Michael Jones book, “Barren Metal – A History of Capitalism as the Conflict Between Labor and Usury” and, being the thorough gentleman he is, this final paragraph is in chapter 101, page 1374.


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