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Pastor opens church in Buffalo Wild Wings

15 Dec

{Sigh}

wps

Beer, wings and the Gospel? An Alabama pastor thinks it’s a combination worth trying.

The Rev. Wesley Savage, a youth pastor at a local Methodist church, will start hosting services at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Hoover this Sunday in hopes of reaching potential parishioners who “wouldn’t go to a church,” AL.com reported.

The service will be called “The Stream.”

No need to worry about hot sauce staining the hymnals and Bibles.

Savage plans to host the 45-minute service before Buffalo Wild Wings opens for business. No beer will be served.

But the church will encourage patrons to stay for wings and sports.

“This is part of the partnership. We’ll help them with their business because they’re helping us,” Savage told AL.com.

The Gospel. Brought to you by this business; be sure to patronize them!

From their facebook page:

The Stream is a new outreach of Riverchase UMC in Hoover, AL. Our mission is to provide a place where everyone is welcome and able to explore tough questions regarding God, their faith, and the world. In partnership with Buffalo Wild Wings, the Stream will be a destination of prayer and fellowship. Join us for Wings, Prayer, and Sports.

 
Okay, I got a tough question for you regarding God, the faith, and the world:

In light of the Fourth Commandment (non-Lutheran, Protestant numbering; see here and here), and also Christ’s overturning of the moneychanger’s tables in the temple, how can you justify encouraging people to violate the Fourth Commandment by patronizing a business on the Sabbath after the conclusion of the ‘prayer and fellowship’ (I did notice you didn’t say ‘worship’, so perhaps I should be thankful for small mercies, in that you’re not quite as badly wrong as you could be, and you could have chosen an even worse venue, i.e. here, here or here)?

Oh yeah; you can’t.

D’Oh!

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19 responses to “Pastor opens church in Buffalo Wild Wings

  1. sfcton

    December 15, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Sunday isn’t the Sabbath. Its the day after the Sabbath.

     
  2. Will S.

    December 15, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    Ah, you’re a Seventh-Day Sabbatarian.

    Well, most of the Christian church – Protestant, Roman Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox alike – throughout history disagrees with you, holding that with Christ’s resurrection occurring on a Sunday, that that was to be the new Sabbath, and Christians began meeting on Sundays, to distinguish themselves from the Jews, who still met on Saturdays. And most of the Christian church has kept that practice, ever since, apart from a handful of Sabbatarians, like Seventh-Day Adventists.

    But I won’t tell you what to do; by all means, worship on Saturday, as you feel led to do.

    I’ll do likewise as I feel led to do, and keep worshipping on Sundays.

     
  3. Will S.

    December 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    And more to the point of this particular post, the UMC holds the Sabbath to be on Sunday.

    So, in light of that, they’re going against what they themselves hold to be the Sabbath, in having this ‘prayer meeting’ at the wing bar on a Sunday morning.

     
  4. Sean

    December 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    I’m torn here. As much as I do agree with the context of the 4th as you’ve suggested and think this isn’t far from moneylender/temple, if it’s a Christ-exalting, God fearing actual sermon that reveres the Word and the Glory, this might just reach some that would otherwise have nothing to do with God.

     
  5. Will S.

    December 15, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Are we permitted to do ill, that good may come of it?

    Are we to hold ourselves wiser than God?

    If He has ordained as the ‘means of grace’ (i.e. the means whereby sinners aree reached) as being by the Preaching of the Word, which is normally done at the House of the Lord on a Sunday morning, and He has forbidden us to patronize businesses on Sundays (that was the common understanding in the past, across all different denominational lines, and still is in conservative Reformed Protestantism, at least), then won’t He accept our working within the constraints He Himself set, and not worry about who might or might not be reached, hypothetically?

    Also, if I may, would you arrive 45 minutes early at a bar that isn’t open, isn’t serving food or booze, to sit and hear someone preaching?

    How many people do you think would?

    Which perhaps might be why God, in His wisdom, decided to not to have that as the practice. 🙂

     
  6. Will S.

    December 15, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    And consider what those believers who, wanting to support this, aren’t doing if they’re attending this (ditto the youth pastor running it): they’re not attending their regular house of worship, with their fellow people of God, as they would otherwise be doing.

    If this was on, say, a Wednesday night, I’d say great; no problem; and let people order a beer and nosh on some wings while having a more casual than church discussion; and let others already there see it, and some perhaps feel compelled to take an interest in what’s going on. (I once came upon a pagan, Wiccan ceremony at a bar, and chatted cordially with a warlock about it; I later raged to a brother how sad it was that we Protestants in North America have a church culture that is overwhelmingly so skittish about booze, that the thought of having a gathering at a pub would be beyond the pale, so the pagans get a free run of a place like that. Shameful, IMO. But Sunday is not the time for it; any other of the six days, could be. Of course, one problem with many churches, is that they want you to fill up your week with stuff at the church, going there several times during the weekdays, never mind that you might also have other interests elsewhere. So instead, they’ll do it on a Sunday, when everyone should be in church…)

     
  7. feeriker

    December 16, 2014 at 1:32 am

    ***YAAAWWWWWNNNN****

    More churchianity. Can anyone honestly say that something like this wasn’t inevitable? What’s next, church in a strip club? The only real question is how long this will last till the novelty wears off.

     
  8. Eric

    December 16, 2014 at 2:02 am

    Reading through the comments, I was reminded of the story in St. John where Christ fed 5,000 with loaves and fishes. Christ said to the crowd afterwards:

    “You seek me not because you have seen miracles, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Labor not for the meat that perishes, but for that which endures to life everlasting, which the Son of Man shall give you. For Him has God the Father sealed…But as I said to you, that you also have seen me and do not believe.” (John vi:26-36)

    One would think that The Stream could draw some conclusions from this episode. They’re going to sell a lot of chicken, and make few converts.

     
  9. sfcton

    December 16, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Where in the Bible does Sky Six say He sifted the Sabbath? Is it our place to determine His day of rest? You speak of tradition, I just read the Bible, which makes me no denomination at all really.

    God is clear when it matters. Do not murder etc complicated theological explanations have more of man in them then God.

    I support no churches as they are abominations but our Salvation is not based on things like Saturday vs Sunday or our stance on booze or any other such thing.

     
  10. Will S.

    December 16, 2014 at 9:28 am

    @ feeriker: Actually, the church in a strip club has already been done; if you click on the links in the article, one of them is to an old post I did when that happened…

    @ Eric: Indeed.

    @ sfcton: You are correct, that the Bible does not explicitly mention a change in a Sabbath, but it does mention when New Testament believers started meeting on and after Christ’s resurrection. (Why ‘Sky Six’?)

    I agree with you that our salvation isn’t based on which day we gather, or whether or not we drink booze, but the Bible tells us to not forsake assembling together in community, which means joining with others in churches. i.e. that’s God’s idea, not man’s.

     
  11. sfcton

    December 17, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    No Will it means joining with other believers, not some specific building or denomination. 6 actual believers in deer camp has you covered. 600 “believers” in a modern church probably doesn’t count.

    In the Army, all commands have 6 in their call sign. If your unit is…. the Red Devils, his call sign will.be Red Devil 6. If you are 3 platoons platoon leader you are 3-6 etc etc. So Sky Six is the Comander in the Sky.

     
  12. Will S.

    December 17, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    My type of church doesn’t often exceed 300 or so, and often the size is smaller; not all modern churches have 600 like the megachurch monstrosities out there. In fact, megachurches are relatively few and far between, and primarily in big metropolises, not so much in smaller places and rural areas.

    Ah, I see. Thanks for the lesson in U.S. Army slang, I wasn’t aware of that.

     
  13. sfcton

    December 18, 2014 at 5:52 am

    600 is a mega church?

     
    • Will S.

      December 18, 2014 at 9:43 am

      Well, it’s the smaller side of those often 1000+ congregations one typically thinks of as megachurches, I’ll grant, but it’s way bigger than most congregations in my tradition.

       
  14. sfcton

    December 18, 2014 at 11:33 am

    Down here & in the mid size town I use to live, 600 folks on a Sunday is not a big deal. Got to be three within three blocks from the house I let go during the divorce

     
  15. Will S.

    December 18, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Ah.

     
  16. sfcton

    December 19, 2014 at 5:42 am

    lol we aren’t called the Bible belt for nothing

    If I recall it was a Baptist, Presbyterian and…. Methodist(?), but I could show you another handful spread around the town and then the local mega church( which sees about 5k a.Sunday plus beems a in a video of the sermon into another two or three locations). I was friends with the associate Pastor for a short bit. Him being the #2 man being the short bit and not our friendship

     
  17. Will S.

    December 19, 2014 at 9:46 am

    No doubt.

     

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