Unintentional ‘Red Pill’ short story

07 Oct

See here – the first story is the one I’m highlighting, not the second one.

Correlates very much with what we know about female nature…


Posted by on October 7, 2014 in feral females


39 responses to “Unintentional ‘Red Pill’ short story

  1. ar10308

    October 7, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Oh wow.
    I know this woman. I know who she is, and who the 2 different men happen to be. This story shares many bits from her life, but slightly altered to protect identities.
    This makes sense in many ways, because she is very female, all the good and all the bad.

  2. Will S.

    October 7, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    Ah! So it isn’t fiction!

    I thought it rang too true to be purely made up; most young women lack the level of introspection and self-awareness necessary to be able to invent such realistic, believable characters from whole cloth. 🙂

  3. deti

    October 7, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    ar, Will:

    “I know this woman. I know who she is, and who the 2 different men happen to be.”

    At the risk of sounding maudlin or trite:

    Everyone in the ‘sphere knows a woman like this.

    Just about every man here has been the spurned beta husband.

    Some have been the strapping alpha who still holds captive some middle-aged married mom’s heart.

    Shit. I know at least three women just off the top of my head who could have written that story.

  4. deti

    October 7, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Something else occurs to me here….

    There couldn’t be a clearer, more florid, more descriptive depiction of a (not so) fictional alpha widow.

    From reading around the ‘sphere, in fiction, from talking with people now in real life, and recalling real life past communications with others, it’s very clear to me that the alpha widow phenomenon is very real, it’s prevalent, it’s life-destroying, it easily renders women crushingly miserable in their marriages, it ruins the lives of the men who marry these women.

    As more and more stories come out of the woodwork, I’m realizing that alpha widows are much, much more common than anyone realized. Just about every woman with N>5 is very, very likely an alpha widow.

  5. deti

    October 7, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    Here are photos of the authoress:

    Just as I suspected. SMV of 5 to 6, 7 on a good day. Hot enough to get sex from the top attractive men; not hot enough to secure commitment from one of them. There are literally millions of these women; 90% of whom will marry beta bucks after a few years of alpha fux. Most will be alpha widows.

  6. Will S.

    October 7, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    @ deti: Yes, I certainly know a number of examples of women still holding a torch for alpha lover #1… Indeed, it’s common enough to be a cliché…

    It is indeed a good description.

    And she is indeed on the hefty side.

  7. Eric

    October 7, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    I agree it couldn’t be fiction: just reading it brought back bad memories.

    “She is very female; all the good and all the bad.”

    No—she is NOT a real woman. A typical, dysfunctional modern female, yes. This is NOT how real women behave. Real women devote themselves to real men wholeheartedly and don’t go yearning for scumbags instead.

    And a narcissist too. Notice how consumed she was with her own feelings: not a bit of concern for ‘boring nice guy’ husband’s feelings.

  8. Will S.

    October 7, 2014 at 7:04 pm


  9. sfcton

    October 7, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    as a man, your job is to create alpha widows but here’s the thing; what creates an alpha widow is totally random, dependent on the girl and the mood she was in when she ran into the alpha

    • Will S.

      October 7, 2014 at 10:40 pm

      sfcton, fornication is against God’s law. We don’t believe in creating alpha widows.

      We are Christians here, of the old school kind.

  10. Will S.

    October 7, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    IOW, we don’t believe in fornication, and if we had our druthers, we’d have a world, therefore, where alpha widows weren’t created.

  11. Eric

    October 7, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    Actually, from what I’ve seen of most so-called Alpha Widows, they wouldn’t need our help to become sluts anyway.

  12. ar10308

    October 7, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    The one thing that none of you realize is that she really only had one boyfriend before she married him. They started dating around their Freshman/Sophomore year of High School. They were together through High School, college, then married, then they moved to DC-area. As for the guy, not a true Alpha. More of a high-Beta. He was on the quieter side, kinda nerdy personality, decent looking, and was an Architecture major in college. They married shortly after college. A few years later (late-20s for both of them) was when they got divorced. I don’t know the circumstances of their divorce.
    I just did a quick FB search of him, and it looks like he married a younger, slender blonde woman 2 years ago and they recently just had a kid. So he’s doing well.
    The author has remarried as well, to a man at least 10 years her senior and they also recently had a child.

  13. ar10308

    October 7, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    Just did a bit more checking. The man she married is nearly 20 years her senior and they have 2 children together.

  14. ar10308

    October 7, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    And her new husband is much more Alpha than her first. He’s the director of a medical practice, looks to have a few children from a previous marriage and has the look of a much more dominant man than her previous husband.

  15. Will S.

    October 8, 2014 at 12:06 am


  16. Will S.

    October 8, 2014 at 12:15 am

    Yet the story, as written, makes husband #2 seem less alpha than husband #1, the way she pines after #1…

    • ar10308

      October 8, 2014 at 12:18 am

      She was with her first love for nearly 15 years, starting at around age 15, so the rush of hormones alone will do that. I’d say that will leave an impression on anyone.

      • Will S.

        October 8, 2014 at 12:20 am

        Fair enough.

  17. Eric

    October 8, 2014 at 12:44 am

    “She had only one boyfriend before she married him.”

    So what?

    “As for the guy, not a true Alpha.”

    So what?

    “They started dating in their freshman/sophomore year of HS…they married shortly after college.”

    So they’d been together for 8 years and she didn’t see a problem before marriage?

    “She was with her first love for nearly 15 years, starting at age 15.”

    About freshman/sophomore age, IOW. So she was with this other guy while dating her future husband?

    “So the rush of hormones will do that.”

    It doesn’t sound like you can blame any of this on hormones.

    • ar10308

      October 8, 2014 at 5:24 am

      Is there something you don’t understand?
      It seems like you’re not getting the timeline right.
      Started dating guy at 15, marries him at 22. They get divorced at 30.
      Marries again a few years after the divorce.

      Will some feelings still exist for previous husband? Why wouldn’t they?

  18. sfcton

    October 8, 2014 at 8:16 am

    AR why wouldn’t there? Because women don’t operate that way. When they are done with you, they will step over your dead body to pick up the last penny you ever made and never think twice about you. Lay down your life for her and she’ll be ungrateful you died leaving her alone

    • ar10308

      October 8, 2014 at 8:57 am

      Don’t you think that notion contradicts the very concept of the Alpha Widow?

  19. deti

    October 8, 2014 at 9:47 am


    Meets her “one and only” at 15, is with him through the rest of HS and college, marries him at 22. Sounds like superglue bonding to me. She’s young, hormones and everything else bonded her HARD to him. Nothing but death can break that — not cheating, not divorce, not job loss, NOTHING.

    Because of breakups and societal dysfunction, people see this as pathology and disease. It isn’t. This is the way it’s supposed to be. She is supposed to feel this way about that first guy. So it’s no surprise she still does. Even if he was high beta, he got there first and she superglued herself to him, just like she was supposed to. It worked, and works, just fine.

    Her subsequent marriage to her second husband is what it is because she’s still bonded to her first.

  20. thedeti

    October 8, 2014 at 9:50 am

    ar10308’s description of this authoress’ story confirms that all you need is N=1. If she’s with him that long, she could be an alpha widow.

  21. sfcton

    October 8, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Nope. if she has feelings she is not done with him; seems to me she was done with her beta and his button up shirts though

    • ar10308

      October 8, 2014 at 11:11 am

      Can you clarify for me? You say she isn’t done with her previous husband because she still has feelings for him, but is done with him because he was Beta with button-down shirts? How does that work?

  22. sfcton

    October 8, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Maybe I missed read the story…. my understanding is she went from alpha fucks to beta bucks back to her alpha. 1st guy she fucked was the alpha who was so broke they could barely afford beer and smokes

    she dumps him for the beat bucks, has two kids and runs back to dude #1 ditching her kids with beta bucks/ button up shirt guy

    Dude #1 is the alpha, she has never gotten over him. Dude #2 is her beta bucks. she doesn’t care if he lives or dies…. well maybe she does when she goes back for the kids so she can live off child support

    • ar10308

      October 8, 2014 at 1:23 pm

      Maybe you get that from her story, but her real life has her starting with a high-Beta around age 15, marrying him guy at 22, and then they divorce around 30. Now, she’s married to another high-Beta who is older and richer, and they have kids together.
      The one she’s thinking back on is her first boyfriend/husband. There are no true Alphas in her dating past as far as I know.

  23. sfcton

    October 8, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    doesn’t matter as long as thinks he’s a true Alpha

  24. Eric

    October 8, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    She’s with a guy for 15 years, dumps him like a bag of garbage and shacks up with a wealthier guy.

    I’ve noticed in the story and through the comments, not the slightest mention about her husband’s feelings in all this.

    What don’t I understand?

    Um…that he ALSO gave 15 years of his life—for NOTHING. This ‘woman’ made him wait 8 years to marry her; shared herself with him another 8—I would think, based on this and the details of the story that he must have—oh, dare I say it? Loved and cared for her or something?

    But his feelings don’t matter. To the feminists, he was a man so he deserved. And to the Game guys (who are really male feminists too) he was a ‘Beta’ so he deserved it.

    Too bad no one seems concerned about the rights of a MAN—even in the Manosphere.

    • ar10308

      October 9, 2014 at 4:15 am

      You are assuming things you ought not assume. There is no evidence one way or another for who divorced whom. She gained almost nothing from the divorce itself, especially since they hadn’t had kids yet. You’d have thought that if it were her decision she’d have gotten a few kids out of him.

  25. sfcton

    October 9, 2014 at 6:12 am

    ok AR…. I think your possible connection to this “lady” is clouding your judgement. As for me, I’ll make the assumptions because they tend to be accurate way more often then not

  26. ar10308

    October 9, 2014 at 7:31 am

    I wasn’t talking to you sfcton.

    Eric went off making wildly presumptuous statements, for which he had no evidence, and there really isn’t much basis in fact to make.

  27. sfcton

    October 9, 2014 at 8:46 am

    my apologies

  28. Eric

    October 9, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    I’m basing the assumption on the fact that the whole article was about her feelings and not his: i.e. her own words.

    “you’d thought if it were her decision, she’d gotten a few kids out of him first”

    So who’s making assumptions now?

    sfcton’s right: it sounds like you’re defending her.

  29. CTchick

    October 10, 2014 at 1:55 am

    Ar is right, though. At least he sounds right to me, because he knows the real-life story of the girl in question, and because as a girl, I can put myself in her shoes. I don’t think ‘older and richer’ necessarily means more exciting or attractive. The thing that is so attractive about younger men is that they have potential, and as a young woman, you can share in molding that potential. Once a man reaches his late-thirties or so, that potential is gone and you have to accept his past and the way his life has already turned out…not how it could turn out with you at his side.

    Also, do you think women are alpha widows, or first-love widows? Several years ago, I fell in love for the first time ever with someone who was not an alpha…he was in his early thirties and often said he wanted to get married, but his girlfriend broke up with him, they dated again and they broke up again, and another girl he pursued wasn’t interested in him. The girlfriend who broke up with him wasn’t an ‘alpha female’ herself; she’s in her early thirties and still single, despite not wanting to be. The only girl he could have had, who he wasn’t interested in…was me. And I was in love with him in a way that I can’t describe in words. I worshipped the ground he walked on; I was completely attached to him, as though we were two sides of a sheet of paper. All I wanted was a little house with him in it forever. After a couple years of unrequited love and a final break-up with his girlfriend, he started to like me more…at least as a friend. He finally saw me in a new light after we spent several hours together. But he still didn’t seem interested in dating me, and I couldn’t handle the sense of rejection anymore, so I left town shortly before he did…and I never saw or heard from him again, apart from one time. After a year or two, he started dating another girl (who was, IMO, less pretty than the previous one). The next year he gave her a promise ring. They aren’t young; they’re in their thirties (he is 35), and they had been dating for nearly a year by then. It occurred to me, after this promise-ring business, that the problem wasn’t just me…it was him and his unwillingness to commit completely. It caused him to keep rejecting me even after his first impression of me changed. If he really was smitten with his new girlfriend, he would have given her an engagement ring; more likely he started to realize she wasn’t his best option after all, and was reluctant to settle down with her.

    I now have someone else in my life who is probably more ‘alpha’: tall, outgoing, with a string of past relationships, including some non-Christian ones. Yet he isn’t the one I still have feelings for. I shouldn’t have feelings for the first man, because he hasn’t shown himself to be a particularly nice person, but he’s the one who is in my heart. I understand the girl who wrote the blog, if she was pining for her first, non-alpha love. I will always love my first love.


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