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The First Rule of Fight Church: You Do Not Talk About Fight Church

19 Sep

Fight Church: Can You Love Your Neighbor While Pummeling Him?

Among the thorny theological questions that divide men, one that hasn’t been much considered is “Can you love your neighbor as yourself, and at the same time, knee him in the face as hard as you can?” In fact, that very question is posed by one of the subjects of Fight Church, the new Lionsgate documentary by Daniel Junge and Bryan Storkel, that follows the fights and faith journeys of a more than a half dozen mixed martial arts (MMA) fighters in and out of the ring. In Fight Church, we meet several charismatic, articulate and, might I add, attractive men of the Word, strong in their ties and devotion to their Christian faith. The film’s characters span the spectrum: from a retired gun-toting, strong willed brawler to a retired kick-boxer who is now anti-CWF (Christian While Fighting). Ultimately, all of the faithful men in the documentary are, well, wrestling with what message their brutal vocation sends to believers and non-believers alike.

Sounds like an intriguing movie. I hope it eventually comes out on Canadian Netflix.

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Posted by on September 19, 2014 in America, Masculinity, movie reviews, religion

 

22 responses to “The First Rule of Fight Church: You Do Not Talk About Fight Church

  1. infowarrior1

    September 19, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Well many friendships started with a fistfight.

     
  2. Will S.

    September 19, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    True. That happened with me, occasionally, back in the day.

    Also, I’ve sometimes become friends with guys I used to fight with as a kid, later as an adult.

     
  3. sfcton

    September 19, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    Its a sport and far from ungodly. That this is even a debate shows what fags Christian men have become

     
  4. Will S.

    September 19, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    🙂

     
  5. infowarrior1

    September 19, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    @sfcton

    Only that I do not consider the church an appropriate venue for MMA. But rather the preaching of the word of God, of Martial worship and of combating the invisible forces of darkness.

    MMA seems more like a bait and switch thing.

     
  6. Will S.

    September 19, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    Yes.

    “To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.” – Ecclesiastes 3:1.

     
  7. feeriker

    September 20, 2014 at 12:38 am

    “To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.” – Ecclesiastes 3:1.

    And it is neither sacrilege, sin, nor arrogance to add whenever and wherever necessary – “and now is not one of them.”

     
    • Will S.

      September 20, 2014 at 12:41 am

      Exactly, feeriker.

       
  8. fightchurch

    September 22, 2014 at 1:29 am

    Just watched the film… it is great! The film remains very neutral on the subject and does a great job of presenting both sides of the “debate”. Personally, I have been a Christian my whole life, spent years as a pastor, and am a huge fan of MMA. As a matter of fact, I am currently a full-time MMA Chaplain here in the fight capital of the world, Las Vegas, NV.

     
  9. Will S.

    September 22, 2014 at 1:51 am

    So you are one of the subjects of the film, then?

    You must be, since your email address, which I can of course see, is on the website of what I assume is indeed the main organizations profiled in the movie.

    Just curious.

     
  10. Will S.

    September 22, 2014 at 1:51 am

    Or at least, your organization has a name that leads me to believe thus.

     
  11. Eric

    September 22, 2014 at 2:09 am

    sfcton:
    Back in the old days, any Catholic priest who couldn’t boast of either being a boxing champion or a football star in Seminary was suspected of being a fag. When I was a kid in Church Camp, there was an old retired Italian priest there who’d been a chaplain and medic in the Afrika Corps. He said that between battles, he’d get in the ring against the Germans whenever they’d depreciate Italian fighting qualities, just to show them that even an Italian priest could go toe-to-toe with any German.

     
  12. Will S.

    September 22, 2014 at 2:21 am

    @ Eric: That’s interesting, and if they still had that kind of standard for the priesthood, there’d be far fewer accusations of abuse, etc. levelled at priests today…

     
  13. Eric

    September 22, 2014 at 2:42 am

    Will:
    Those old iron-miter type bishops and cardinals firmly believed that any man who couldn’t stand up to other men wouldn’t be of any use to the Church when it came time to take a stand for the Faith. Actually, the only scandals they used have back then were the occasional trysts between priests and nuns—but they dealt with that too, in their own ways.

    But now the standards have sunk so low, we’ve gone from Father Duffy to Pope Fannie in less than 50 years. Father Duffy has monuments built to him; and Pope Fannie can’t decide if someone can be both gay and Catholic.

     
  14. sfcton

    September 22, 2014 at 5:50 am

    infowarrior

    I do not consider the church an appropriate venue for men. Perhaps MMA will get a few actual men with working man parts and some sense of self respect to show up

    Last I checked, the Almighty God doesn’t tell us how to preach His word, only to preach His word.

    I learned to box from a catholic priest. Like 30+ years back that was

     
  15. infowarrior1

    September 22, 2014 at 5:55 am

    @sfcton

    ”I do not consider the church an appropriate venue for men. Perhaps MMA will get a few actual men with working man parts and some sense of self respect to show up”

    The eastern orthodox church pulled it off without MMA:
    http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/42390.htm

     
  16. sfcton

    September 22, 2014 at 7:52 am

    The orthodox church is full of girlie men in my area so I’m not buying what you’re selling

     
  17. infowarrior1

    September 22, 2014 at 8:41 am

    @sfcton

    The trouble is if I must rely on your anecdote alone the sample size is too small for me to determine the truth of your statement. I don’t have enough information to determine if this is an exception to the rule or the rule.

    Now considering the actions of our Lord and Master. I do not recall Jesus ever using physical fights(excepting the moneychangers)in preaching the gospel although he exorcised demons, healed and debated. Never have I read in the early church that this occurred.

    Was Jesus and the early church girly in what they did?

    I do not oppose MMA in church fraternities or Christian men’s groups if that is what you are proposing. But fights in and of itself is not preaching the gospel. Is one reading and hearing from the gospels or scripture while fighting or when they are standing at attention as the pastor proclaims the word of God?

     
  18. sfcton

    September 22, 2014 at 11:26 am

    We are not Christ and that reference only goes so far

    You are correct my sample size is small but why should I buy into your opinion of the Orthodox church when it is so counter to mine?

     
  19. infowarrior1

    September 22, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    @sfcton

    ”We are not Christ and that reference only goes so far”
    To be Christian is to imitate and follow Christ. His example and his ways. As the 2nd Adam who remained sinless he is the perfection of masculinity.

    ”You are correct my sample size is small but why should I buy into your opinion of the Orthodox church when it is so counter to mine?”

    You are right. Western culture and exposure to it pussies men. Eastern Orthodox and even Islamic men are not immune:
    ”North American Islam is undergoing the feminization process. There are outward and inward signs of this. If you go to your local Islamic centre, and compare the women’s prayer room to the men’s, you’ll notice the better upkeep, nicer furnishings, fancier carpet and fresher paint that the wimminz enjoy. Likewise, if you listen to the preacher on Friday afternoon, there is a good chance that he will give the sort of beta blue-pill speech that is ubiquitous in Protestant services. He may sprinkle fawning comments about the blessed sisters who do so much for the congregation, or he may devote an entire sermon to the duties and responsibilities of the Muslim man to bust his ass so that princess doesn’t have to scratch a nail, to fund all sorts of extravagant female wishes, and otherwise to make his Muslim wife haaaappppy.”

    http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/09/21/the-women-rebel/#comment-141324

    I will have to think on that.

     

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