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When People Get Impatient With the Church

22 Jun

I especially agree with and would like to highlight Erik Charter’s conclusion, regarding such parachurch organizations:

The problem with stuff like this is the assumption that ordinary Word & Sacrament ministry is not enough.

This same mistake underlies the ministries of “The Obedience Boys” and The Gospel Coalition. They are impatient with the church and evidently feel constrained by it, so they take it upon themselves to form an organization to “fill in the gaps”.

Why do we need ecumenical coalitions? Churches do ecumenism. Who appointed these individual ministers to do ecumenism or form committees?

These things are all variations of the same underlying mistakes — impatience and lack of trust in churches to do the work that Christ has appointed to them.

Literate Comments

http://oldlife.org/2014/06/obedience-boys-know-catechism/comment-page-4/#comment-140696

Got this e-mail from a well-meaning guy I go to church with:

“We’re excited about the Living for God Conference that is coming up next month.

For three days – July 10-12 – we will, God willing, be hosting a conference on the power of God and the Christian life.

Scott Brown, Steve Deace, Kevin Swanson, and Phil Kayser will be delivering 17 messages that aim to breathe vigor, love, and heart into your Christian walk.

Here are big reasons for you to come:
This conference is in your backyard: Iowa and the Midwest! It will be held in the auditorium of Faith Baptist Bible College.
This conference is for your whole family: littles and bigs!
This conference is needed! Families and Churches – Christians desperately need revitalization in the ways of God to be stirred up to love God and live for Him.
This conference exalts the Word…

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Posted by on June 22, 2014 in religion, spirituality, The Decline, Theology

 

5 responses to “When People Get Impatient With the Church

  1. James and the Giant Peach

    June 22, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    When I get impatient with my church or people in it, I try to remember God holds his hand on judgment in order to give us time to repent, and he is more patient than we are. So I try to get the same patience.

    At least they are trying to change. Saying the church is not fast enough and calling them incompetent through your actions is like making fun of a fat person in a gym. At least he is striving towards than greater ideal.

    Humans are all sinners and no one is righteous. So is it not logical that things built by humans like church organizations are the same? Sure there should be a lot less, and there should be a different standard of living, but all are striving towards Christ and while the person will never be made perfect, they are continually sanctified, and their righteousness is given by God.

    I find these ecumenical groups or even some churches recruit via smearing competition. For example I was in a fraternity in college (before I was Christian). When they sold themselves they said they provided X, Y, Z, (random things like brotherhood or community service) and said the campus was desperately in need of people who did this, despite every fraternity doing this. They then implied what the other fraternities were doing was not enough, and that their way was superior and better and the true way.

    Churches it seems do the same thing.

    “This conference is needed! Families and Churches – Christians desperately need revitalization in the ways of God to be stirred up to love God and live for Him.”

    This is implying all congregations are like this, and that this special conference is the only way they can do it. While I am sure some congregations are more blessed with the Holy Spirit than others, it is really prideful to think of your organization as the only one that can fix christian churches and christian people. Jesus Christ does that and he is wherever two or three gather in his name.

     
  2. Will S.

    June 22, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    Indeed, we really do need to cultivate the virtue of patience within our church communities, and remember that all of us are fallible, imperfect people – and not rush to try to reinvent the wheel, as regards evangelism and outreach activities, etc. And even if we have some new ideas, we should try to avoid the tone of putting others down, in explaining why we ought to try something different.

     
  3. av

    June 23, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    I do wonder though if the speakers at the conference being advertised will have any reflections or comments on the failure of their former associate Doug Phillips to live for God.

    As much as we should seek to mortify our flesh and be personally holy we are never free from temptation. I wonder what the chances are that they’ll point out that multiplying rules doesn’t protect us from our own hearts.

     
  4. Will S.

    June 23, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    @ av: “I do wonder though if the speakers at the conference being advertised will have any reflections or comments on the failure of their former associate Doug Phillips to live for God.”

    I wish they would, but I doubt it; somehow, I think it will be completely ignored…

    “As much as we should seek to mortify our flesh and be personally holy we are never free from temptation. I wonder what the chances are that they’ll point out that multiplying rules doesn’t protect us from our own hearts.”

    Pretty low chances, I’d wager. Alas…

     

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