We should not sing winter songs like ‘Frosty’, ‘Jingle Bells’ before Christmas, but instead in January, February, March.

07 Jan

An unpopular opinion, I know, but hear me out.

Songs like ‘Frosty the Snowman’, ‘I’ve Got My Love to Keep Me Warm’, ‘Jingle Bells’, ‘Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow’, ‘Sleigh Ride’, and ‘Winter Wonderland’, are entirely secular, and have nothing to do with Christmas, per se; in fact, ‘Jingle Bells’ and ‘Sleigh Ride’ have also had Thanksgiving assocations. (Interestingly, all of these other than ‘Frosty’ and ‘Jingle Bells’ were written by members of The Tribe.)

Basically, they celebrate winter.

I think that’s great; we who live in countries with winter should enjoy this season as much as we can (even as we’re inclined to complain about it); might as well.

But I think it’s unfortunate that these secular celebrations-of-winter songs have ended up mixed in with our Christmas celebrations, amidst Christmas carols and secular songs about Christmas which aren’t specifically carols or hymns but merely about the season (from ‘We Wish You a Merry Christmas’, ‘Carol of the Bells’, to ‘The Christmas Song’).

It detracts from the focus on the Incarnation of our Lord and Saviour, just as much as Santa does.

Or maybe that’s precisely the point! Notice how they’re only trotted out for the radio, shopping malls, stores, restaurants / bars, etc. just for the season leading up to Christmas, then as soon as Christmas is over, you no longer hear them anywhere in public – despite the fact that they celebrate winter and don’t mention Christmas.

But why should we let them do that?

Why not do the exact reverse; ignore the winter songs till AFTER Christmas is over, then, in the post-Christmas part of winter, the part where some, perhaps even many, suffer the ‘post-Christmas blues’, celebrate winter?

(And for our Oz and Kiwi friends, instead of hearing seasonally-inappropriate songs this time of year, given that it’s summer down under, they could instead celebrate their winter six months from now with such songs! (If they don’t already; that’s a good question for our Aussie and Kiwi friends: do your malls, radio stations, etc. subject you to winter songs during Christmas, despite the absurdity of it? I know there are some different secular Christmas seasonal songs down there; just not sure if y’all still also have to put up with our northern hemisphere winter-celebrating ones during the Christmas season, too.))

So, here’s to the rest of winter! Enjoy your sleigh or skidoo rides, or snowboarding, skiing, tobogganing, ice-fishing, winter hikes, or for that matter hot beverages beside a roaring fire indoors; all good. 🙂

And why not keep on enjoying these secular songs that celebrate winter, too?


Posted by on January 7, 2014 in culture, music, on the lighter side, The Tribe


43 responses to “We should not sing winter songs like ‘Frosty’, ‘Jingle Bells’ before Christmas, but instead in January, February, March.

  1. Will S.

    January 7, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    And who could forget this somewhat naughty one?

    Sayyid Qutb did not approve, understandably enough.

    I suppose one can say, it’s a great example of a guy wearing down a girl’s resistance, trying to help her rationalization hamster along, so it’s educational. 😉

  2. Aquinas Dad

    January 8, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Actually, the entire Christmas music thing is An Issue with my entire family. Why?
    Christmas STARTS on December 25th!
    The 25th is the first day of Christmas – it runs through the Epiphany (January 6th) and technically, if you want to push it, the full Christmas season doesn’t end until February 2nd!
    The period before Christmas, Advent, is a time of repentance and reflection.
    So Traditional Catholics tone down the cheerful music *until* the 25th and play carols, happy songs, etc. *after* the 25th.
    I blame Protestants and seculars

  3. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Hey would-be commenter, I’m a Protestant. You said you’d blame us and seculars? Don’t lump us together with them, twit.

    We are a pan-Christian-tradition blog; we don’t refight the Reformation here.

    • Aquinas Dad

      January 8, 2014 at 1:06 pm

      First, the comment is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, which I thought was obvious from the combination of Protestants and seculars. Second, do you follow Advent and the twelve days of Christmas, or do you take down the tree, etc. soon after the 25th?

  4. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    And yes, I am aware that January 6 is Epiphany, the 12th day of Christmas. That marks the end of Christmas, as far as I’ve always understood. Which is why I waited till now to do this post.

  5. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    My apologies, Aquinas Dad; I failed to recognize you were joking, as I HAVE dealt with people who blame Protestantism for secularism; I know some who’ve even tried to blame the French and Soviet revolutions on Protestantism!

    So forgive my touchiness.

    My family has always waited till Epiphany to take down the tree and decorations; we continue to listen to carols and Christmas music right through to then.

  6. Aquinas Dad

    January 8, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    The 12 days do end on Epiphany but the Christmas season as a whole extends until the Feast of the Purification of the Blessed Virgin Mary on February 2nd for a 40 day season (which Catholics are so fond of!).

  7. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    And keep the lights up and on outside till then. But we’re not trailer trash, leaving them up all year round. 🙂

  8. Aquinas Dad

    January 8, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    I apologize for the loutishness of other commenters and applaud your Christmas habits. 🙂
    Personally I blame the American, French, and Soviet revolutions on the secular enlightenment….

  9. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Ah; I thought the Christmas season was merely from the beginning of Advent through Epiphany. Naturally, as a Protestant, I was unaware of that feast, though my ex-Catholic mom could probably tell me about it.

  10. Aquinas Dad

    January 8, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Maybe! It grew a bit… obscure after Vatican II

  11. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Ah. My mom pre-dates Vatican II; I’m not super-young. 🙂

  12. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Aquinas Dad, thanks for the apology on their behalf, though I can certainly see you have nothing to apologize for yourself. Welcome to commenting, BTW, here at Patriactionary; don’t know if you’ve been a long-time lurker or just discovered us, but either way, glad to have you reading and participating. Cheers. 🙂

    I blame the Enlightenment for those revolutions as well! And I don’t blame Protestantism for the Enlightenment as some do, esp. since the Enlightenment took hold in non-Protestant lands as well as Protestant ones. France had no Huguenots left at the time of the French Revolution; Russia never had any Protestants; the absurdity of some who want to blame everything on Protestantism is self-evident, to anyone other than the most uber-partisan. 🙂

  13. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    I don’t know if you saw this, but that is some of what went on, over at Twitter.

    And see also the comment thread starting from here.

  14. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    We did have some of that here in our earlier days, too, but we banished some and others left, so haven’t had much of a problem since then.

    It is our opinion that we have bigger fish to fry, and might as well hang together or hang separately.

  15. Aquinas Dad

    January 8, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    While I am so Catholic that if you look up ‘Catholic’ in the dictionary 1 in 10 have a group picture of my family with His Holiness I keep one thing in mind – once we deal with the secularists, the Progressives, and such us religious types can get back to sorting things out amongst ourselves

  16. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Exactly! I’m a Protestant of Northern Irish stock, which should tell you something. 😉

    And I agree. Let’s focus on our common enemies, our biggest enemies, first. 🙂

  17. Lena S.

    January 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Wrong! We shouldn’t sing them at all! 😉

  18. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Oh yeah; it may offend the ‘seasonally-challenged’ who live in tropical climates where they don’t have winter; I forgot how ‘politically incorrect’ and ‘offensive’ winter songs are. 😉

  19. Lena S.

    January 8, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    No no, I meant because they are bad songs! 😛

  20. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    Ah, lol. Well, there’s no accounting for tastes; I like them ol’ sentimental sappy silly songs, for my part. 🙂

  21. Peter Blood

    January 8, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    Christmas is so great and fun everyone wants in on it! Those who remove Christ can have the thin gruel they’re left with. Frosty the Goldman. Walking in a Weiner Wonderland. Baby It’s Cold Outside the Bank. Silver Shekels. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Banker.

  22. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    LOL! 🙂

  23. electricangel

    January 8, 2014 at 5:55 pm


    Welcome to Patriactionary. As the sole remaining Papist, it’s good to know you’ll be an ally in the final Prot smackdown AFTER we have destroyed the secularists. Will’s wrong, of course, about the Prots not being responsible for the “Enlightenment,” but we agree to disagree about that, figuring that if we can each agree on the Nazarene as Savior, everything else is piffle.

    You wrote: The 12 days do end on Epiphany but the Christmas season as a whole extends until the Feast of the Purification of the Blessed Virgin Mary on February 2nd for a 40 day season (which Catholics are so fond of!).
    My brother pointed out the following to me. Start counting on December 25th, Christmas; that’s day 1. Then the Feast of the Circumcision, January 1st, is day 8. Epiphany, January 6th, thus is day 13 (for Jesus and the Apostles? Dunno.) For my whole life, I assumed the Epiphany was 12 days after Christmas, literally the “12th day of Christmas,” in the words of that execrable English carol. Unless the early Church were in fact C programmers, and so started counting at 0, which would have been a miracle as it hadn’t reached the West yet.

    Good ol’ Sayyid Qutb! We really do need the “Winter” songs to be played after the Epiphany. I get grumpier and grumpier in December from them.

  24. Will S.

    January 8, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    @ EA: I agree! I sometimes struggle with the ‘post-Christmas blues’; what better way to lift one’s spirits than with some festive music? Why should it end on January 6?

  25. infowarrior1

    January 10, 2014 at 4:57 am

    Why can’t there be just one Christianity and one church? Somehow in the sovereign decrees of God this is not so. Everything therefore is so much more complicated.

  26. infowarrior1

    January 10, 2014 at 5:03 am

    “it’s good to know you’ll be an ally in the final Prot smackdown AFTER we have destroyed the secularists”

    May God clean up error in due time. And God willing purify the church of pretenders. Let the line be drawn to see what is true and what is not.

  27. Will S.

    January 10, 2014 at 9:35 am

    infowarrior1, there will be one Christianity, one church – but it won’t be until Christ returns, Himself. In the meantime, as now, people will be people, and will have differences. He will indeed clean up error, but on His timetable, not ours. Therefore, we might as well all get along until then, especially in the public square, where we have enemies in common – secularism, progressivism, Islam, etc.

  28. infowarrior1

    January 10, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    I have question. Why is it that the evangelical Christians I meet on the streets evangelising for Jesus singing crappy joyful songs to Jesus.

    They are still creepy as in my atheist days. There is something viscerally revolting about them

  29. Will S.

    January 10, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    I don’t know, I’ve never figured that out, myself. I spent many years in evangelicalism, from 1992 to 2002, basically – a whole decade.

    It’s as though evangelicals, who are bent on aping the world in terms of having everything the world does in terms of entertainment, but giving it a decidedly ‘Christian’ gloss – thus, you see ‘Christian’ attempts at every genre of music out there – are incapable of actually imitating the world WELL, and making GOOD stuff. Almost always, most of it sucks. I don’t know why that is, but I do know it generally is so. I’ve heard my share of evangelical music for all the years I belonged to such churches, I still hear some occasionally, and while there’s the odd good artist here and there, by and large, music and other arts/entertainment forms created by evangelicals simply aren’t very good in terms of their quality and artistic merit / entertainment value, etc.

    I don’t understand it.

    But you know what? I don’t spend too much time dwelling on it. I ignore it, as best as I can.

    You should, too. 🙂

  30. infowarrior1

    January 10, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    @Will S.

    Actually its them street evangelist Christians. All I have met so far somehow exudes the aura of creepiness. Like cult-like creepiness. It raises my hackles.

  31. Will S.

    January 10, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    Oh, well, half the street evangelists one encounters on streets of big cities are quacks, anyway.

  32. Will S.

    December 3, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    Interestingly, re: ‘Baby, It’s Cold Outside’, the view of Islamic fundamentalist Qutb (see my first comment) is joined by feminists and SJWs:

    So once again, prog and Muslim opinions ends up coinciding.


  33. bluebird of bitterness

    December 6, 2014 at 12:09 am

    Thanks for writing about this. It’s been one of my pet peeves for a while and it’s nice to know I’m not alone.

    • Will S.

      December 6, 2014 at 12:15 am

      You’re one of us, too! 🙂

      Hey, you’re welcome. Glad to know there’s another of us! 🙂

  34. Will S.

    December 28, 2014 at 3:18 am

    Reblogged this on Will S.' Culture War Blog.

  35. Will S.

    January 25, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    Hillbilly Jim @ SiriusXM must share my opinion on this, because he played this on Saturday, almost a month AFTER Christmas:


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