Oh, look, fellow Christians! Hollywood wants our money again.

27 Dec

The National Post reports on upcoming movies on Mary and Noah, respectively.

The one about Noah, I’d heard about; it sounds disappointing, to say the least.

I don’t expect the one about Mary to be any better.

Hollywood. Wanting your money, but not willing to give you quality, unwarped storytelling in exchange for it.

Screw ’em.


Posted by on December 27, 2013 in The Kulturkampf


28 responses to “Oh, look, fellow Christians! Hollywood wants our money again.

  1. Carnivore

    December 27, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Interesting. It even shows the “fountains of the deep” in addition to the rain.

    The real question would be, of course, if it’s made clear why God destroyed all the life on earth.

    I certainly won’t hold my breath for a “Mary” movie in the RC sense, unless Gibson made it.

  2. Sanne

    December 27, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    There was already an American movie about Noah back in the 1990s I think. It portrayed Noah’s wife performing the wedding ceremony of his sons in the end, because Noah was obviously too stupid. The word “obey” was strangely missing. The new movie will probably be even worse, but surely will have terrific “special effects”, so the teenagers will be happy.
    BTW, have you seen the one about Abraham and Sarah where Sarah was racist and abusing Abraham’s concubine (the name escapes me at the moment) because the girl was black?

  3. Will S.

    December 27, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    @ Carnivore, Sanne: Apparently this ‘Noah’ is some sort of radical environmentalist propaganda – despite the absence of industrialization, humans were still ruining the planet, evidently…

    @ Carnivore, yeah, I would be wary of any movie about Mary not made by someone like Mel Gibson, or perhaps Martin Sheen (also a believing Catholic; I liked the movie The Way he was in a couple years back, directed by his son Emilio Estevez).

    @ Sanne: Haven’t seen either of those. Hollywood seems incapable today of doing anything respectful, without tweaking the stories, trying to recontextualize them into something quite other than what they are…

  4. Sean

    December 27, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Of course we were ruining the world then, too! Because sin. Because God’s flood.

  5. Will S.

    December 27, 2013 at 7:22 pm


  6. LiveFearless

    December 28, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Screw us?

    Rule number one: It is not about the money. It’s really not. When it comes to programming, the character John Hammond from “Jurassic Park” (book) says it best:

    We count on the fact that people calling themselves ‘christian’ are completely oblivious to how the world works. In ‘Hollywood’ (not an actual city in the Los Angeles area, by the way… that’s part of the illusion and magic)… here, we know that even if we paint the truth into every popular film, show, video game, app, popular song, music video, billboard, ad, magazine cover you see standing in line at the store, every study that has fed you facts about life and science and history, every material you wear, every shape and texture in everything including the design of the dashboard of your car… we had intention with it, every frequency, sound, shape, texture, material in everything. We even have influence in everything you consume, lotion on your skin, food you eat, beverage you drink and packaging of it all. We know that you will continue to choose not to see, hear or understand what we embed there. It’s so obvious to us, it’s a series truths we can’t miss, but they seem to be invisible to you. We are required to make it obvious to you, but you can’t see any of it. Even if we revealed it to a ‘christian’ the ‘christian’ would not see.

    The ‘christian’ talks a good game about having faith in the unseen, yet cannot fathom that the unseen is in control of everything around each ‘christian’ on earth. The ones that are not ‘christians’ know the Bible better than most ‘christians’ on earth.

    Make no mistake, ‘christians’ are the main reason we have access to unlimited resources. The ‘christians’ are the only barrier to carrying out the collective master plans, so please, continue to boycott the scripted DNA (Duck Dynasty) with the narrative of the interview that never occurred. Again, we would keep entertaining you even if there were no revenue from the DNA narrative.

    Don’t believe it? Then explain “John Carter” “Stealth” “Heaven’s Gate” “Speed Racer” “The 13th Warrior” “Mars Needs Moms” “The Adventures of Pluto Nash” “The Alamo” “Cutthroat Island” and a hundred others. Wait, I’ll explain it.
    1. We knew they would lose money.
    2. Money is something that’s created into existence using magic.
    3. All projects that receive major funding have meaning and messages.

    You want to change ‘Hollywood’? Why don’t you look at the end of any feature film. The credits are usually LONG, and they contain just about every kind of job that exists in the area you live in. Why don’t you join me here in ‘Hollywood’ since, no matter where I look, ‘christians’ have bailed out of here because they say it is evil. They call me evil for the influence that I and the teams that work with me have here. Wondering why ‘christians’ have a difficult time in the U S and the world? Perhaps you should understand why there are no other ‘christians’ here that have the ability to change anything. Your job is probably a job you could do out here. See, I have people that work with me all over the world in a variety of nations and cultures. 100% of them have family and/or friends that are listening to the same songs that people in the U S are experiencing. This ‘Hollywood’ has been chosen to influence the whole world through programming. Keep calling it evil, keep complaining… instead of doing as I have done and continue to do: I stopped complaining and worked my way into a place where I would have opportunities to change things. It’s taken decades of building relationships and working day and night. Sadly, I’ve known few ‘christians’ in this life that have been willing to do what it takes, and that’s why the ones in charge find that most ‘christians’ are lazy.

    Though the people are uncredited, a popular song often requires hundreds of people to make it happen… same with popular music videos, video games, fashion items, popular books and other forms of popular entertainment. There’s also silicon valley. How many people that run things have you chosen to get to know? I’ve tweeted a lot of hints for those, like you, that complain about us. Of all people on earth, the ‘christians’ have continued to absorb the programming we feed, while refusing to listen to the few that try to help you learn how to steer this ship. Keep complaining, keep ignoring the power that the Bible says you have over the ones that have free reign as the Bible said they would. But, the reason they do is that you talk a good game about a man that was born and died and lives today… but you do not believe that man is real. If you did believe it, you would also remember how that thousands of entities were afraid of that man, so they begged that man to let them hitch a ride with some pigs.

    FYI, that man, as an adult, was the life of the party and well liked by some ‘Governor’ at a wedding, pulling out the best wine toward the end of the party. He hung out in with powerful people that, in the eyes of religious people at the time, were doing bad things. He became famous after he’d been working hard doing serious labor with his hands all those years, and according to you, that man died, but he’s alive as a spirit. Regardless, that man is famous now. But it’s the ‘christians’ that are the biggest worshippers of the famous ones we constantly share stories about. So much so that the famous one you wish more movies told the true story of, well, you’re distracted, so that man that you say died and then rose up to life again – well you have less and less time for that man. That man said you’d be surrounded by entities that rule the air. Verizon rules the air, so you have forgotten that something else rules the air. So since you can’t imagine the truth that you’re surrounded by the ones that rule the air, you don’t ask for protection or help. Therefore you are surrounded on all sides with no influence, no resources and here you are, complaining about another movie that might not fit your illusions of your newer, changed translations of the Bible. You’ve never heard of Enoch. It’s ok, the rulers of the air knew Enoch and Noah and Solomon… and they know everything about every moment of your life, they are a network.

    Keep complaining. I already know the finished products of those upcoming movies, I know the finished products of shows and games and ads and songs and… I’ve seen and experienced technologies you’ll know soon enough, but if I could tell you the outcomes of all of it or the truth about the technologies (which I contractually cannot), you wouldn’t believe me.

    You’ve heard that Miley Cyrus is NOT just performing her own free artistic expression. And too often I hear, “Oh, she is just trying to get attention or she’s just being a rebellious 20-something.” It is clear to me that that is NOT the case. If she says she chose her wardrobe for the performance, there are teams of talented people that do that. She didn’t choreograph the performance. Every movement, all body language, all gestures on stage are planned by teams of people over long periods of time. Then this all has to be practiced. This is not by some accident. It all has meaning. “But she said in an interview…” Yes, she did. I’m there. Imagine for a moment that you are surrounded by teams of people that aren’t seen on camera, but they are there. “PR” folk, publicists, reputation management gurus (seriously RM folks remind me of Matt Damon’s character as super genius in “Good Will Hunting”), a makeup artist a script supervisor and a list of others with titles you wouldn’t believe exist. Then, of course, there are people assigned to handle you, and you have given up your right to depart from the script a long time ago. Improv is fine, but you know your limits. This is what it’s like.

    You can continue to be blind to what’s obvious and clear. It’s ok for you to believe it is all random. But, when you look back over the course of events in your life dissatisfied, remember, some guy on some page tried to tell you. It’s easy to see what’s obvious, but you have to realize that every second of programming on a big screen or a tiny screen like the one in your hand, your smart phone… whatever you see or hear or experience anywhere… all of it has images and frequencies that affect your life and the course of human events, even if the electricity is off. It’s still there. Even if you can’t see it, it is there. The programming is there. Open your eyes, and choose wisely.

    But wait, that’s right, you believe in your DNA (Duck Dynasty) as if it’s real, as if they serve the one you say you serve. It’s more comfortable. If you want to change things, maybe you should find the hints in my tweets. If not, we will continue to fill your life and every thought with programming from the ‘Hollywood’ you complain about instead of praying and doing something great with the power you’ve been given that you never tap into. When you brush your teeth, remember that ‘Hollywood’ affected the shape and design of your fancy toothbrush and the art on the tube of toothpaste. Remember that it, too, has meaning. Noah will not be as you wish because you chose to work there instead of here. You could affect the future programming, but you have to open your eyes and actually know the words of the one you say you know. There’s no time to waste. Ask. Seek. Knock. Believe. Do. LiveFearless

  7. pukeko60

    December 28, 2013 at 2:53 am

    The interesting question is how badly they will screw these up. Like the Hobbit. Colour me unimpressed

  8. Will S.

    December 28, 2013 at 10:55 am

    @ LiveFearless: Indeed, I am aware how we were played for dupes in the Duck Dynasty affair – and I intend not to have that happen in the future.

    I know there are Christians like Brian Godawa who work in Hollywood and feel called to be there, doing such work. Good for them.

    However, some of us may question whether we should even bother. And not all of us feel called to the world of arts and entertainment.

    I don’t know whether you are a Christian or not, though I suspect not from your lower-case ‘c’ for ‘Christian’, and the fact you talk about Christians with those ” around the word each time, as though you doubt the faith of such. In any case, for most of your comment: TL;DR. A bit more precision and a bit less verbosity would be welcome.

  9. Will S.

    December 28, 2013 at 10:55 am

    @ Chris: Yeah, I’m curious to see that, too.

  10. infowarrior1

    December 28, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    @Will S.

    As an aside. Why is it that Christian products like movies and video games are so crappy in Quality?

  11. Will S.

    December 28, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    It’s mostly evangelical movies and video games and music that are so crappy, in particular, and there are lots of reasons; part of it is what LiveFearless alludes to, that not enough Christians go into Hollywood, but moreover, there is a tendency to see all work as necessarily missional, rather than just creating art or doing story-telling for its own sake; the purpose becomes witnessing / Gospel presentation, rather than telling an interesting story as a Christian, in a Christian way obviously but not specifically for that purpose.

    That’s what’s wrong with ‘contemporary Christian music’, too.

  12. infowarrior1

    December 28, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Yeah. But you know the missional purpose flounders when you make turd-tastic products.

  13. Will S.

    December 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    That’s the irony of it. When Christians ape the popular culture, they often make shit. When they don’t give a toss, and just do their own thing, and actually try to do it well, they can make great stuff.

  14. infowarrior1

    December 29, 2013 at 3:28 am

    @Will S.

    You know. I found that in the biblical movies I have watched. They sanitize the bible too much. All we need to do is slap the R rating onto the movie when we show the violent sequences of the bible in all its realistic glory and nothing is left out.

    You know what? That movie should show the controversial slaughter of the Canaanites and the Midianites. Let god be shown in all his gory glory.

    Screw the offense it causes. Let all Christians come face to face with what this God is about.

  15. Will S.

    December 29, 2013 at 8:06 am


  16. infowarrior1

    December 29, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    @Will S.

    I do have a question for you though. What do you think of Herem or Holy war?

    You know what God commanded the Israelites to do to the Amalekites and Canaanites. I am still having trouble believing that God commands the killing of Children in that regard.

    A friend of mine said that the fact that God ordered the Killing of Children is unforgivable and contributed greatly to his unbelief.

  17. Will S.

    December 29, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Well, it’s Scriptural; it was specifically commanded to OT Israel on certain occasions; not meant to be normative, and in any case, in NT times, there is no more ‘national Israel’ in the same way, and we aren’t likewise commanded.

    BTW, infowarrior1, don’t you have an elder you can discuss these things with? If not, get thee to a Reformed church. 🙂

  18. infowarrior1

    December 29, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    I am surrounded by Atheists. Each trying to keep me away from the pollution of religion.

  19. Will S.

    December 29, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Ignore them. Go back to church!

  20. infowarrior1

    December 29, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    You see still under their authority. I cannot go.

  21. infowarrior1

    December 29, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    The bibles I had are confiscated and thrown away. I have only the electronic medium to access.

  22. Will S.

    December 29, 2013 at 11:45 pm


    Here’s a good site for answers to difficult questions, from a conservative evangelical POV, basically:

  23. infowarrior1

    December 29, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    Oh well. I actually emailed the person. But so far he hasn’t given a satisfactory answer. I will try again.

  24. infowarrior1

    December 30, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Found this:

    Whether it is just or not. It seems the horror cannot be subtracted from the scene.

  25. Will S.

    December 30, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Apart from some minor quibbles I’d have with Craig due to some doctrinal differences, I’d say I generally agree with him there.

    Look, consider this: God had His Son put to death, slowly bleeding to death / asphyxiating / starving, having been nailed through the midsection, hands, and feet or legs, to a wooden apparatus, left exposed to the elements.

    He did this, to pay the price for our sins.

    If anyone wants to accuse God of being bloodthirsty, they should stop and consider that, in taking the lives of those who He has created, and thus has every right, if He wishes, to take their lives, He is doing nothing other than what He was willing to do to His Son – and did do, taking His life.

    God lays out, in the Pentateuch, instructions for putting to death people who have committed various offenses; certain offenses require that. And so, built into law, the Israelites were to codify capital punishment for those offenses, following what Scripture taught.

    If we can accept that it is okay for the State to have hangmen, that God sanctions such a practice, then we should not find it hard to accept that God could, from time to time as He pleases, have His chosen people carry out instant death sentences against His enemies – if He has commanded such to be done in specific cases.

    Which He did, according to Scripture, in the case of the Canaanites and the Amelekites.

    Faith, infowarrior1, means accepting things we may not fully understand, trusting in God.

  26. infowarrior1

    December 30, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Sceptic’s love to accuse God of being a Moral monster. A genocidal manic. I guess the new atheism forced us to focus on the judgement of God and stop us dancing around the issue. Seems to be his sovereignty at work.

  27. Will S.

    December 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    He works in mysterious ways, indeed.


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