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Posted by Will S. on June 19, 2013 in Linklove
June 19, 2013 at 12:06 am
Thanks for the links!
June 19, 2013 at 12:10 am
Hey ballista, you’re welcome. Cheers!
June 19, 2013 at 4:48 am
Thank you for the link!
June 19, 2013 at 6:55 am
Hey Carnivore, you’re welcome!
June 19, 2013 at 9:04 am
Thanks for the links!!!
DC Al Fine
June 19, 2013 at 9:46 am
Question for you Will S.: My church recently finished up a pastor search. The previous pastor was charismatic and an excellent preacher and brought in a lot of people from evangelical churches (I’m reformed like you.)
Most of the evangelicals left when the previous pastor resigned, but a half dozen 20-somethings stuck around. I hang out with this group, and in discussions in what we want in a Pastor, they announce that they want a pastor who a) Supports womens’ ordination and b) Is an Arminian.
Their ideas are just plain unfeasible as you can’t get ordained in my denomination without being against those things, so we would have to leave. One of these people was on the search committee and announced that she wouldn’t support a candidate who believed in pre-destination or a strictly male ministry. The problem was that the search committee must be unanimous in order to bring in a pastor to preach to a call, so in effect this arrogant woman was threatening to hold things up unless we left our denomination! Eventually she left the church in a huff and the committee picked a pastor to bring in.
Anyways, what a church can do to “screen” these people out? Obviously its better for them to be in the church hearing the Gospel instead of some churchian nonsense, but it’s foolish let them be members, much less put them in positions of power if they are unorthodox. Any thoughts?
June 19, 2013 at 6:21 pm
@ SE: Hey, you’re welcome!
@ DCAF: Hey DC, yeah, I thought you were Reformed. I’m unclear, though, what kind of church you belong to, having such a mix of people; is it some sort of independent church, non-denominational? If so, do they have statements of faiths, creeds even if they don’t call them that? Or, is it an explicitly Reformed church, at least in name – like the CRC – even if it has lots of evangelical / charismatic types in it, and trends that way, in worship style and even theology?
What you can do about this unfortunate situation you’ve described all depends on exactly what kind of church you are attending; what their church order says, etc. Decidedly confessional, explicitly traditionalist Reformed churches, like the kind I belong to, explicitly forbid women’s ordination to any offices, and so it never becomes an issue; it simply can’t. And what’s more, in my church, unless I’m mistaken, it is elders alone who decide on a new pastor, and so such a situation just is literally impossible – unless we weaken, and start allowing female office-bearers.
If, however, your church is more liberal to begin with, and has women on search committees, I really don’t know what advice I can give you; your church’s ability to fight the zeitgeist is already compromised, because it has conceded power to women and relative ‘progressives’, and in my experience, growing up mainline liberal Protestant, once that happens, nothing can stop the ball once it’s rolling. Perhaps, though, if the liberal / evangelical, feminist-in-all-but-name dissidents remain for the moment very much in the minority, it may be possible to stop them if you can rally the silent pew-occupier types into getting involved, and if you get all the women kicked off office-bearing positions and committee memberships; then you might be able to turn things around – and you’re better off, IMO, getting those ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’ to ‘leave in a huff’. Screw them; we Reformed know that the Gospel isn’t for all, and we needn’t worry about people leaving because we stand firm and oppose evil, wicked, worldly trends; if God wants to, He’ll make sure they get real church elsewhere, some other time…
That’s my $0.02, since you asked. 🙂
June 19, 2013 at 6:35 pm
@ DCAF: It may be challenging, seeing as they’re part of your social sphere at church, but you must stand firm, even if it costs you friendships; what kind of friends would let such things come between them, anyway? Better off not having them as friends, if they’d be like that, IMO. (I’ve been there, I’m not just talking out my ass.)
June 20, 2013 at 4:11 am
@Will, like the photo, and thanks for the link.
@DCAF: if the church is reformed, well, then it’s like asking that the sky be neon purple instead of blue. Ain’t gonna happen, and one of the wives of the elders should have a nice cup of tea with her. Accompanied by a very blunt chat. If that does not work — with two women, perhaps, then call in the elders. It is one of the things that the Catholics do get right — no women in leadership.
The Unitarians (and other heretics) will have her, of course.
June 20, 2013 at 6:35 am
@ Chris: You’re welcome; thanks!
June 20, 2013 at 8:45 am
@ Will S.
I’m PCA. We’re reformed in confession but some of the evangelical worship/theology has started to creep in. Women can’t hold any offices in the church, although they are allowed to sit on committees. From a constitutional POV, the elders have the final say on pastor. They appoint a search committee consisting of them + deacons + people from major families in the church. In the past they’ve made sure the committee is unanimous to make sure the congregation as a whole is buying into the pastor. This wasn’t an issue before since everyone on the committee was conservative & reformed.
The Lefty took advantage of this informal stance to try and push her agenda. Refusing to accept any pastor who wasn’t pro women’s ordination & Arminian. (Which effectively meant she was telling us to leave our denomination). My Dad (also on the committee) tells me that the elders were going to excommunicate her, but she resigned her membership & quit the church before they could.
Hopefully, the elders have learned from their mistake. The new pastor is fantastic. Very orthodox and not willing to put up with any bs.
Just ranting here: Where the hell do these people get off?! “Hi I just started coming here 8 months ago, but you need to change the doctrines you’ve held since Calvin & Knox to appease me and 4 other people.” They own most other aspects society, but it’s never enough with them.
She may not have to go to the Unitarians. The evangelicals seem to have been getting worse recently. It seems like they are a lot more accepting of stuff like female ordination than 10 years ago. Have you or Will noticed this?
June 20, 2013 at 10:05 am
@ DCAF: Ah, okay; yes, I’m familiar with the PCA. (I attend a Dutch church, of a more traditionalist, confessional bent than the highly evangelical CRC or the mainline RCA; I don’t mind discussing more detail privately, but not here.) I have attended, on occasion, several PCAs, both here in Canada and Stateside, and indeed, I’ve found that YMMV; some are strongly confessionally Reformed; some are more evangelical; some are mixed, to the point of having two different services, one contemporary, one traditional; some are so weak in Reformed theology that a kind, well-intentioned elder might invite a newcomer out to a restaurant after Sunday service (true, happened to me; that was before I became Reformed myself, and I went with him). Though the OPC is more conservative generally, I’ve found that there can be much variation from one church to the next in that denomination, too; seems to be the case with conservative Presbyterians moreso than continental Reformed (other than the CRC and RCA), apart from the most hardline Reformed Presbyterian, ‘Covenanter’ types.
Glad your situation resolved itself, and that you now have a solid pastor; I will pray for your church, that he may have many years with you. (I know Presbyterians can change pastors less often than us Dutch, who on average change them every seven years or so; whereas some Presbyterian churches have ministers for life…)
As for evangelicalism getting worse, indeed; I used to be evangelical, myself, and after some 10+ years as one, left it a decade ago for the Reformed faith; it was getting worse while I was still in it, and it has continued to do so, since I left. IMO, evangelicalism is fairly similar to mainline Protestantism, except some years behind them; in time, they’ll catch up. Women office-bearers and pastors increasingly these days; perhaps one day, openly self-identified queers, whether practicing or celibate, just like in mainline churches. To keep their charitable status for tax purposes, they’ll cave when the State brings pressure to bear on them (and us). May we be steadfast, and willing to eschew such miniscule benefits when that day comes.
June 20, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Agreed. There’s a majority of “core” families that are solidly reformed, but the outsiders are more evangelical even if they are solid conservatives.There has been a small amount of creeping evangelicalism in the music.
It’s still way better than anything else where I live. I’d love to hear about your reformed church experience. Does patriactionary have an e-mail address?
June 20, 2013 at 6:29 pm
@ DCAF: No, not collectively we don’t; since I have your email address, I’ll send you an email.
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