Attention, Catholics: public schools think the rosary is a gang symbol

17 Sep

I kid you not; see here and here.  (HT: Anthony Sacramone)

I can’t make up my mind as to whether the school officials in question are just stupid, or motivated by anti-Catholic sentiments.

Either way, as good a reason as any to not send your kids to a secular public school.


21 responses to “Attention, Catholics: public schools think the rosary is a gang symbol

  1. Mike43

    September 17, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Well, as a Catholic who has several rosary beads, I can tell you that in our tradition, they are usually not worn. We do have medallions and scapulae that are worn around the neck.

    I have kept mine discretely in a shirt pocket, or in a small pouch under my pillow. So, I’m not sure that while over reacting, there is not something there.

    However, I do know that Hispanic males wear them around the neck, for what ever reason. Maybe cultural? Not sure.

    And actually, I have pulled my sons and sent them to an all male Catholic High School. They did very well.

  2. Will S.

    September 17, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Indeed, I had thought the rosary wasn’t worn like jewelry, typically, but I an neither Catholic nor Hispanic, so perhaps I am ignorant of Hispanic Catholic ways…

    In any case, I note that a Colorado public school board also recently banned students from wearing Peyton Manning’s Denver Broncos jersey, for the same reason, ostensibly because it’s been affiliated with gangs.

    Let’s suppose for a minute both are true, that rosaries and Peyton Manning number jerseys have become gang symbols. Why let gangs define symbols; why not take them back from them, by letting anyone and everyone wear them?

    I think Catholic Denver Broncos fans who are students should wear both the rosary AND the Peyton Manning jersey to school, and tell administrators to get stuffed. And if they get kicked out, for their parents to make the wise decision you made, and sent their kids to Catholic or other Christian schools / homeschool them / send them to a private school.

    To hell with public education.

  3. okrahead

    September 17, 2012 at 10:46 am

    I’ve seen a lot of “gangster movies” where the “gangsters” in questions wore suits and ties…. Perhaps if we removed the gangsters themselves from the schools it would solve the problem at hand.

  4. Will S.

    September 17, 2012 at 10:48 am

    That would be too smart, of course.

    Shh, next they’ll ban Italian suits from schools! 😉

  5. Will S.

    September 17, 2012 at 10:55 am

    BTW, does anyone think they’ll ban ‘gangsta rap’ clothing styles and ‘bling-bling’, or would that appear too ‘racist’?

    I think we know the answer…

  6. Will S.

    September 17, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “Yeah! we should let the authorities choose gang symbols, and the gangs – obviously – would then have to adopt them!”


    What I meant was, why let gangs get away with appropriating anything, from a football jersey to the rosary, as their own, such that it becomes associated with the gang(s) in question instead of being taken for what it is, i.e. a football jersey, or a rosary…

    Similarly, why should the Beatles’ ‘Helter Skelter’ suffer being associated with Charles Manson?

    Or why should Jodie Foster be associated with the nutbar who shot Reagan? (Wait, I don’t really care about that one, heh heh. 😉 )

  7. electricangel

    September 17, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Any Catholic who sends his kids to public schools deserves what he gets: disaffected little bell-salivating drones more focused on materialism than God.

    Of course, it starts with the “Pledge of Allegiance:

    “in 1940 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 8–1 that a state could require public school students to re cite daily the “Pledge of Allegiance,” even the practice conflicted with a student’s religious beliefs, as was the case with members of the Jehovah’s Witness sect.”

    What group was this tried on first? Well, Catholics in their own schools did NOT have to recite the pledge, until in 1922 in Oregon, when “the Ku Klux Klan, which also had adopted the “one hundred percent Americanism” theme along with the flag ceremonies and the Pledge, became a political power in the state of Oregon and arranged for legislation to be passe(d) requiring all Catholic children to attend public schools. The US Supreme Court later overturned this legislation.”

    The origin of the pledge, from the same link?

    In 1892, a socialist named Francis Bellamy created the Pledge of Allegiance for *Youth’s* *Companion*, a national family magazine for youth published in Boston. The magazine had the largest national circulation of its day with a circulation around 500 thousand. Two liberal businessmen, Daniel Ford and James Upham, his nephew, owned *Youth’s* *Companion*.

    One hundred years ago the American flag was rarely seen in the classroom or in front of the school Upham changed that. In 1888, the magazine began a campaign to sell American flags to the public schools. By 1892, his magazine had sold American flags to about 26 thousands schools(1).

    In 1891, Upham had the idea of using the celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’ discovery of America to promote the use of the flag in the public schools. The same year, the magazine hired Daniel Ford’s radical young friend, Baptist minister, Nationalist, and Christian Socialist leader, Francis Bellamy, to help Upham in his public relations work. Bellamy was the first cousin of the famous American socialist, Edward Bellamy. Edward Bellamy’s futuristic novel, *Looking* *Backward*, published in 1888, described a utopian Boston in the year 2000. The book spawned an elitist socialist movement in Boston known as “Nationalism,” whose members wanted the federal government to national most of the American economy. Francis Bellamy was a member of this movement and a vice president of its auxiliary group, the Society of Christian Socialists(2). He was a baptist minister and he lectured and preached on the virtues of socialism and the evils of capitalism. He gave a speech on “Jesus the Socialist” and a series of sermons on “The Socialism of the Primitive Church.”

    The public schools have ALWAYS been an effort to pry the precious children of religious people away from them and turn them over to the State.

  8. Will S.

    September 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Yeah, I can’t see why any Catholic would want to have their kids put through the dysfunctionality of the modern public school system; nor why any other Christians would want to, either…

  9. chesterpoe

    September 17, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    For reasons like this, among many others, I am so glad I was home schooled after 8th grade. The people there were insufferable. Rich White kids who called their $119,000 a year median income city “da hood”, played rap music obnoxiously loud, wore clothes like they were about to go golfing, and demanded you conform or face social ostracism. That was still better than the school I went to in St. Augustine where police always had drug dogs on campus, tazers for the violent “youths”, and the attitude of urban negroes was reprehensible. If you love your children, do not send them to a public school; I implore you.

  10. infowarrior1

    September 17, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    The solution is homeschooling of course. But I think the government will want to interfere with that too. They don’t want the Sheep out of their grasp.

  11. Will S.

    September 17, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    @ CP, infowarrior1: I think homeschooling is the most ideal option, myself. Alas, it is costly, and governments don’t always give breaks, since they’d rather have the kids indoctrinated…

  12. Carnivore

    September 18, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Wearing the rosary is a recent development and in no way Catholic. They are using it as a good luck charm which is the sin of superstition and mockery of a Sacramental. Hanging it from the rear view mirror is similar.

  13. Will S.

    September 18, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I see. All the better reason, then, for their parents to send them to a Catholic school, where they will be scolded for doing so for the RIGHT reasons, and made to put it in their pockets where it belongs while not being used properly. 🙂

  14. chesterpoe

    September 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    @Will – Actually in my state homeschooling is free; no books or school cost at all. The state owns a virtual school which services free education for all Florida students, a small cost for those anywhere in the country, and it is also provided to students abroad but I have no idea that cost or requirements. More states should adopt this type of education.

  15. electricangel1978

    September 18, 2012 at 6:12 pm


    “Actually in my state homeschooling is free”
    This recalls the old line: “If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it’s free!” Use their materials, and they’ve got you. It took me a LONG time to understand WHY vouchers for private schools were a bad idea. There’s a reason why the USA has the best “market” for religion in the West, and that most definitely has to do with the lack of subsidy of religions via Establishment. The Lutheran Church, the state Church of many Nordic countries, never had to compete for believers in any way (not that that’s a good thing when it leads to pedestalization), and so it remains funded, and empty.

    Who pays for the piper’s music sheets write the notes that will be played upon them.

  16. Will S.

    September 18, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    @ CP: I share EA’s concerns about the supposedly ‘free’ materials…

    Perhaps any American, whether either of you or anyone else, can clarify for me how parochial education, like Catholic schools, work there: here in Canada, in most provinces I believe, and definitely in Ontario, Catholic schools are taxpayer-funded, and the result has been, that while they get to have some level of religious education, their teachers aren’t nuns or monks, but ordinary secular graduates of teachers’ college programs, and the Catholic school boards aren’t directly under Church oversight, but constitute another bureaucracy, just like secular public schools. And there is pressure to conform to PC; for instance, the courts here in Ontario told one Catholic high school, back in the ’90s, that they couldn’t ban gay student couples from attending the prom together.

    Whose bread I eat, his song, I sing… IMO, state-funding for Catholic schools has been disastrous for them, here in Canada, and they’d be better off like the parent-funded, other Christian schools…

  17. chesterpoe

    September 19, 2012 at 3:47 am

    @EA: Since it is all run by the state it is paid for with tax payer dollars and the course material is selected by the state, of course. Now, I know it is better to separate from the state entirely but for those who cannot then this virtual school is the next best thing. I recall from a Journalism course I took in HS online that peddled left-wing BS so I just did what was necessary and moved along. But the teachers do not say anything on student opinion since most are very religious and inject it into their work. It is still a secular education but you are not being pressured to believe garbage and the atmosphere is set by you and your parents, not left-wing bureaucrats and PC nannies.

    @Will: I have pretty much no idea how those schools work. Every school, whether public or private, does have to meet certain government established standards but most of the core curriculum is presumably set by the independent schools, the teachers are chosen by the schools (nuns are allowed to teach, at least in Florida), and rulers are still used to smack students hands. That is about all I know.


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