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There is no ‘Santa Claus’…

15 Dec

… there was, of course, one Saint Nicholas, a 4th-century bishop whose generosity was legendary, who, like other saints, was celebrated by the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches, and also by the Dutch Reformed, who, though Protestant and otherwise not given to celebrating Roman Catholic saints’ feast days, decided, for some reason, after initially resisting for some centuries, to eventually relent, and re-join the Catholic celebration of the feast of the Eve of St. Nicholas, or Sinterklaas; from which, combined with with the British tradition of ‘Father Christmas’, and with the publishing of Clement Clark Moore’s ‘A Visit From St. Nicholas’ (also known as ‘T’was the Night before Christmas’), helped give rise to the mythical figure we call ‘Santa Claus’, whom almost all adults know does not in fact exist, but whom many pretend does, and go on to teach to their children as fact, even though this is a deliberate telling of an untruth, i.e. a lie.

Why? asks Jim Goad, and I join him in that.  (Hat tip: Ferd)

Some of my Reformed brethren eschew Christmas altogether; not only the modern, mushy, sentimental, treacly, mostly Jewish-authored secular ‘Christmas’ songs, and the whole ‘Santa Claus’ mythos, but also the religious celebration of Christ’s birth.  I disagree with them, and observe the religious celebration; the part of the Reformed tradition I belong to, does so, cheerfully.  But I will fault my Dutchie brethren’s ancestors, nevertheless, for not opposing observation of Sinterklaas Eve vigourously enough, eventually re-joining their Catholic neighbours in celebrating it, which led to Santa Claus in America.  The Law of Unintended Consequences, and all that…

I remember, as a kid, when I figured out that it was impossible for Santa to visit every house, around the world, eat all the cookies and drink all the milk, because that would be miraculous, and only God, and no-one else, works miracles; that, when I confronted my parents, I accused them of lying to me.  Boy, were they speechless and dismayed!  But, I was right.  I was also right to go blab the truth to the neighbours’ kids when my parents admitted it, making them cry, and tell their parents, who told mine, getting me in trouble.  Oh well.  My parents, and millions of people the world over, have joined in perpetrating a myth they know to be false, which means they all have lied.  Now, I have long since forgiven my parents; they’re just part of North American culture, and went along with the flow, so to speak.  But, I accuse North American – and in fact now, global – culture, for perpetrating this myth, this known lie.  I understand; the idea is to fill children’s minds with wonder and magic, etc.  But the world does this, to promote a counterfeit alternative ‘saviour’ figure; to give a competitor for our attention, to Christ, Who is the real reason for the season.  The old ‘Church Lady’ bit from Saturday Night Live, two decades back, wasn’t far off:

*YouTube Clip since removed: basically, the Church Lady asked who would profit from the focus being pulled away from Christ, turned elsewhere? ‘She’ then rearranged the letters ‘SANTA’ on magnetic board – ‘SATAN’.

Indeed, who other than the powers of darkness, and their terrestrial secularist unwitting allies, gain from removing the focus from Christ, and instead moving it onto a secularized, mythological figure?  Why do we perpetrate this falsehood?  Moreover, if Saint Nicholas’ life and generosity is worth Christians remembering and celebrating, why not emphasize his feast on December 6 (or Sinterklaas Eve on December 5, as the Dutch Reformed do), and leave the Coca Cola depictions to the world, and separate it out from the celebration of Christmas?

We Patriactionaries are not knee-jerk conservatives; we are reactionaries.  Reactionary, means not merely holding onto traditions for tradition’s sake, but being willing to hold even tradition up to scrutiny, and being willing to jettison bad more recent traditions, whilst preserving worthwhile ones still around, and even returning to worthwhile older ones now lost.  For instance, Game, is a return to knowledge of female psychology that we used to have, before Victorian-era female pedestalization warped understandings held for centuries.  I see no reason not to also apply radical questioning – why do we do this – to other things such as the Santa Claus tradition – which, really, isn’t that old, historically speaking, compared to the many centuries before it came into being.  (Yes, there were always Father Christmas, and all the other British and European traditions.  But at least they weren’t global, they were local, particular to different cultures, and from another time; in any event, we also don’t teach our kids that vampires, werewolves, mermaids, and selkies exist, even though our ancestors may have believed in such things, considered traditional in their cultures, so why then should their untrue Christmas traditions be grandfathered?)

Why conserve Santa Claus?  I’ve heard some atheists say they stopped believing in God after realizing their parents lied to them about Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy (two other traditions we should also question, and IMO, jettison); they couldn’t trust them when they told them that God is real, and that Jesus lives.  Touché.  A valid point, IMO.  If we want our children to believe us when we teach them about God, and that lying is wrong, why teach them a myth we know to be false, instead of focusing more on the truth that Christ was born, so that sinners may be saved?

We’d do well to return the focus of December 25 solely to Christ, the Saviour of Mankind; leaving real, traditional St. Nicholas celebrations for Dec. 5-6 for those who want to do so (if they insist they must), and eschew the Hollywood facsimile of St. Nick.

‘Santa Claus’ does not exist, though a kind-hearted, generous Christian bishop named Nicholas once lived, centuries ago.

But Christ does exist, and lives, yet today.

Spread the word!

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Posted by on December 15, 2011 in culture, spirituality

 

50 responses to “There is no ‘Santa Claus’…

  1. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 2:01 am

    P.S. I am familiar, for anyone about to hit me with Tolkien-ish arguments of these sorts, with them. And, as regards the faith itself, I agree with them. While Christianity itself, Lewis later joined Tolkien in stating, can be said to be a myth which unlike every other myth happens to be true, the same is not true of Santa Claus. Whatever silly pro-Santa myth argument you were going to make in this vein, won’t wash, with me. Just so you know, in advance.

     
  2. Madbiker

    December 15, 2011 at 6:46 am

    The case may be that parents, Christian or not, are unwilling to go against the flow. Santa is on TV, in film, in songs, in schools. Kids in public or secular private schools will read stories about Santa, and after Christmas break, kids will gather to hear what “Santa” brought them for Christmas.

    It’s a sure way to get some kids to behave, I suppose, telling them that if they’re bad then no presents from Santa.

    I am wrestling with this right now. My oldest is only 3, but aware of the Santa figure already. Her older cousins have been telling her about Santa, and at Christmas parties, Santa always comes to hand out presents. I tried to read her the story of Saint Nicholas, but the picture book has him dressed as Santa, not as a bishop – so even in trying to send the religious message, I’m stymied at every turn.

    I don’t think we should be lying to our children. It’s a temptation like any other – easy to go with and hard to resist lest we appear strict, uncaring, or (heaven forbid!) UN-FUN to our kids or other people. That is the burden to bear, and for such a short time of year, it seems unnecessary to fight it. Except the weight of that burden accrues each year, until you have lied so long you’ve lost any parental authority with your kids.

    You’ve touched on an important point about lying about Santa versus believing in the truth of Christ. I think about lots of things about which my good-natured parents and teachers lied to me: Santa/Easter Bunny, storks and babies, stories about why rain falls and that eating beets will make my breasts grow (seriously, I was told that by a creepy uncle). Why do we tell any untruths to our children? Clever, funny stories with an element of truth in them are for more instructive than outright lies made up so we can cover our own ignorance and get the kids to stop asking “why?”. It smacks of irritation with our greatest duty: to guide and instruct the innocent in the ways of the world so they may tread its paths with honor and righteousness.

     
  3. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 7:55 am

    At a very early age, though I didn’t know the term, I perceived a cognitive dissonance, between the fact that (a) my parents, being moral people in general, and Christians in particular, had taught me that lying is wrong, but (b) had deliberately told me a story, and encouraged me to believe, something which I had come to realize was clearly not true. And it actually was stressing me out, lol! A few years earlier, I had intelligently worried, when my parents had replaced our traditional fireplace with a small woodstove, inserted into the fireplace space, that Santa wouldn’t be able to get through the woodstove into the basement; my dad then assured me that he would leave the back door, which of course was normally locked at night, unlocked, so Santa could come in through the back door. That of course seemed rational, and reasonable, and satisfied me, for a while, anyway.

    But I know of kids who, unlike me, were able to stay awake all night, who tried to wait up for Santa, and subsequently saw instead, their parents eat the milk and cookies, put out some presents, etc. Imagine the disappointment of them…

    My parents mollified me, when I confronted them, with the fact that it’s a myth designed to encourage generosity, the true spirit of Christmas, blah blah blah. And appealed to my own greed, “You still like getting presents, don’t you? So, you can believe in the spirit of Christmas, right?” That satisfied me, though I still had to be a prick and tell the neighbour kids and laugh while they cried at being robbed of their illusions by older, wiser boy, me… Then I wondered why I got in trouble for doing so, when I had merely spoken the truth… Because I robbed them of something precious, my parents tried to teach me. Bullshit.

    I don’t mind, and I still partake in, giving and receiving presents; I have no objection to Christmas trees, Yule logs, mistletoe, decorations, all the things that the most arch-conservative Calvinists and Baptists object to; the pagan influences in the Christmas and Easter celebrations, etc. (Though I wonder why we Christians use the term ‘Easter’, when that is said to be derived from the pagan ‘Ostara’…) But, Christmas really isn’t about those things; it’s about the birth of a Saviour, the Incarnation of God Himself, coming in the flesh, to redeem His people upon His death and resurrection some thirty-three years later or so. That is something we Christians hold true. Why perpetrate a lie, alongside this most fundamental of truths?

     
  4. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Same thing with Easter: Arguably, Easter is more important, in the most fundamental sense, than Christmas, since it was what happened at the first Easter, Christ’s death and resurrection, that saved sinners; Christ’s birth merely set the stage for Him to die and be reborn, later. Yet we make a bigger deal, commercialization-wise, about Christmas, than the more important Easter. And what do we do with Easter? Make a fictional character, the Easter Bunny, who gives out chocolate bunnies and eggs, to children. Why? Isn’t Christ’s saving sinners worth celebrating with feasting and chocolate-eating all on its own, without pagan fertility-rite echoes in a deliberately made-up story, again, perpetrating a lie, alongside the truth?

    It’s an easier one for children to see through, too. Children surely can guess that there is no rabbit bearing chocolate eggs and rabbits… I can’t remember when I figured out about the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy, though I admit, it must not have been as traumatic as figuring out about Santa; perhaps it came afterwards, then – or around the same time… The Tooth Fairy is totally unnecessary, though, because it isn’t wrapped into a Christian religious celebration of any kind, I consider that perhaps the least harmful of the lies perpetrated. But it is still a lie. Why the need to make kids feel special, just because they grew a permanent tooth and the first one fell out?

     
  5. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Since I’m discussing these things, I’d like to say something about Halloween, but I’m feeling lazy now, so I’ll just link what I’ve previously said here.

    I see, though, in the comment stream following my comment, a reminder from Svar of something I’d forgotten when I made my post above: that Father Christmas is a derivative of Wotan / Odin / Woden, the Norse God, and that the Christkind, one of the legends in Europe, is a bizarre promulgation that Christ comes, as a child, to give presents; apparently promoted by Luther to discourage celebration of the feast of St. Nicholas. I think these should be discouraged, too.

     
  6. Madbiker

    December 15, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Easter and Christmas were treated with equal solemnity by my parents, with Santa the EB there for the fun factor, I guess. We always attended the Christmas Eve vigil and Christmas mass, and did the Stations and Easter Mass, Ash Wednesday, and Palm Sunday. So there was plenty of knowledge of the religious meanings of the holidays. I think maybe it was about raising us to be like other kids who also had Santa and EB in their lives. Don’t want to be any further outcast then we already were (I was a tremendously awkward kid and my mom avoided PTAs and other caddy moms like the plague – we stuck with family, which was already unusual in the early 80s).

    But my own doubts about faith do go back to the conflicting messages I received not from my parents, but also from friends, and teachers, and even priests who refused to engage my young mind in debate but instead told me to just believe and let that be that. By discouraging me to think, they pushed me in the opposite direction to outright question and then become an unbeliever. All of the patronizing behavior adults of all stripes take towards children only encourages straying behavior. It makes Santa and the EB appropriate alternatives to religion: each one equally false, unless a child is properly guided.

    Re: the commercialism of Christmas, I hate it, and even from a secular POV it’s disgusting. The tradition of gift-giving is enjoyable, but it goes too far too often. When the entire year is devoted to celebrating one holiday or occasion, and even trivial reasons for reward become grand occurrences, it’s hard to top the rest of the year with Christmas, driving us towards and ever increasing need to purchase symbols of our love and happiness with each others. Sick.

    I can only conclude that there is a need for a return to spirituality and religion, or at least, for secular folks, to simplicity and basic traditions that emphasize community over commercialism. Even Santa might have a place there, as a symbol of generous giving, not as an imaginary carrot-stick wielding figure of consumerism.

     
  7. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Agree completely, Madbiker, re: the dishonesty, and the crass commercialism. Both are revolting – and encourage revolt. Indeed, we really do need to recover the purely religious elements of Christmas and Easter – and All Hallows’ Eve and All Saints’ Day, for those who have them in their liturgical calendar (Roman Catholics and Anglicans, particularly).

    My parents were sure to emphasize the religious aspects; we always went to church Christmas Eve, Good Friday, and Easter Sunday (as we also went every Sunday). I was raised in a Christian home, and it ‘took’. I thank my parents greatly for their heritage of faith, even if I appear critical of them in some regards here. I love them, and thank God for them.

     
  8. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 9:15 am

    BTW, Madbiker, agree completely, too, in your first comment, re: the other untruths parents perpetrate, e.g. the stork, etc. (Your uncle as creepy, and original; never heard that claim before, lol, but then, I’m a guy; maybe he’d have told me the male equivalent, heh heh)

    There’s no need for that. My parents, when I asked them where babies came from, told me it was kind of like, a daddy is a farmer, and he plants a seed inside the mommy. That’s pretty accurate, and close enough to satisfy a child’s mind, without having to resort to an outright lie. Later, they told me the truth, gave me books with illustrations. I knew, fairly early on, all about it, long before sex ed was covered in school.

     
  9. Ulysses

    December 15, 2011 at 9:53 am

    I’m pretty conventional by comparison. I really enjoy putting up the tree, in our case a noble fir, and stringing it with big fat colored bulbs. We don’t spend much energy on Santa Claus, but we don’t eschew the myth. We read more stories about Jesus and the breakfast at church is about Saint Nick, but not Santa Claus. Still, the myth doesn’t bother me. In my house, it’s about getting family, which is spread out over the US, together and enjoying being off work, wine, food, and sleep.

    Selfishly, I do get a big kick out of staying up and putting out some baubles, though most of the kids’ loot comes from the grandparents. This year the older is getting a tiny children’s guitar and I think I’ll get the younger books.

     
  10. Madbiker

    December 15, 2011 at 10:00 am

    In fairness to my parents, their own shyness kept them from discussing even storks with me. The stork story came from a nun, of all people, and other teachers told us that. I guess it prevented them from supplanting Benziger Family Life as the source of our sexual knowledge.

    My SIL regularly makes up stories and lies for her kids, especially about why they need to behave, and why the grandparents don’t visit (they’ve recently and painfully divorced, touchy subject I know but there are ways to explain it without saying “Poppy moved to Florida” when he’s still living a few minutes away). She lies to them about death (great grandma recently passed) and why they go to church every Sunday. I can’t figure it out.

    I resolved even before I had kids that I would not lie to them. If I could not come up with a sufficiently simple explanation for their questions or my reasons, I would seek another source who could help me communicate the truth. It hasn’t been hard so far. I will say this: keeping my kids away from TV and doing anything other than post-office errands with me has been helpful. Even grocery stores (not to mention malls or Target, etc.) are equally as poisonous for kids as TV. The mixed and incorrect messages bombarding them, and all of us, are ubiquitous.

    And, re: the beets, boys were told it would put hair on their chests! Anything to get kids to eat their veggies, I guess. Even if it means embarrassing them with sly sexually charged comments in front of relatives and strangers.

     
  11. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 10:10 am

    @ Ulysses: I’m glad your church encourages discussion of the real St. Nicholas; that’s good.

    Maybe someone could, justifiably, armchair psychoanalyze me, and say I have ‘issues’, from the ‘childhood trauma’ of finding out about Santa. Maybe I do worry too much about the implications. I dunno.

    I participate in the gift-giving and receiving; my folks put up a tree and decorations (I’ve still helped out if I’m around when they want to put it up); I enjoy all that, and see nothing wrong with it. And yeah, the family aspect is great, as is returning home and seeing old friends, etc. Much like Thanksgiving, though I think in America, more families get together, from further away, at your Thanksgiving celebrations – as much as or even more than, at Christmas – than we have happen at our Thanksgiving; Christmas is the bigger deal here in that regard.

    The Dutchies who observe Sinterklaas, though, tend to do all their gift-giving then, and leave Christmas as strictly religious. I do kinda like that idea; were I to marry a Dutch girl who was brought up thus, I could be persuaded to go along with that.

    @ Madbiker: Wow. Just, wow.

     
  12. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Incidentally, being a Christmas baby, born yes on December 25, Christmas has always been intertwined, partially, with my birthday, though I have always tended to observe my birthday more on Boxing Day (Dec. 26; that’s a British Commonwealth holiday, when gifts would be collected to be distributed to the poor, traditionally; still done, to some extent, but not as much as before, and now it’s mostly a shopping bonanza – Boxing Day Blowout – like your post-Thanksgiving Black Friday), in terms of birthday cake, parties, get-togethers, etc.

     
  13. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 10:17 am

    @ Madbiker: I know some Christian young adults, who’ve told me their parents never taught them sex ed. One young woman of 25, revealed to me that until recently, she thought the urethra and the vagina were one and the same, i.e. that women peed out the same hole they make love and give birth through, not learning the truth till recently learning about a friend passing a kidney stone. I was like, WTF? You don’t know your own body, and you’re a grown woman?!?

     
  14. Madbiker

    December 15, 2011 at 10:18 am

    BTW, thanks for the link to the Tolkien/Lewis piece. I’ve never seen that film but will make a point to watch it asap. Always admired Tolkien, never read any Lewis but I have TLTWATW on Kindle, waiting for me to have some time to absorb it.

     
  15. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Hey, you’re welcome. I am indeed intrigued, that it was Tolkien’s non-rational (not to say irrational, but not merely reason-based) arguments, about the importance of myth, that helped convince the hyper-rational Lewis, to consider Christianity, and eventually, to convert. Interesting, that. Like I said, I do agree with Tolkien and Lewis that Christianity is a real myth, unlike the rest of myths.

     
  16. Madbiker

    December 15, 2011 at 10:41 am

    I also think myth (from mythos which simply means “word”) can be instructive. Some people have difficulty with reason and rational thinking. I often do, especially in moments of great emotion, until I can take time to digest and review a situation or presented facts.

    Myths take difficult to explain situations or human idiosyncracies and attempt to explain the unexplainable in ways that attribute them to the divine, whether it be the gods of ancient Greece and Rome, or of Christian origin.

    When people use the term “Biblical creation myth” I do not get offended, because I perceive the story as being one told so a large number of people can have an understanding, through symbols, of the struggles humans have to get back to the Garden. Were Jesus’ parables literally true? No, but the lessons are invaluable. Any myth that serves as a foundation for belief is valuable in this same vein. They are not lies, but abstractions that seek to simplify difficult or unknowable (or unknown at the time) phenomena, allowing people to come to a personal relationship with God, or even decide to sever it if one feels it necessary, based on the knowledge and free-will we’ve been granted.

     
  17. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Agreed, though I take the perspective that Christ’s parables were both literally true, and myths, as well, just like the story, from the Word, of Christ Himself. I view creation in the same way; both as literal truth, and a myth.

    To me, it isn’t necessary to not believe any of these parts of the story as any less literally true than the whole story itself.

     
  18. Rusty Shackleford

    December 15, 2011 at 11:21 am

    That kind-hearted, generous bishop was also a man who was not afraid to knock a bitch out:

    http://cantuar.blogspot.com/2011/12/saint-nicholas-allegedly-punched-this.html

    The real Santa is much more interesting.

     
  19. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Yeah! Kicking ass for the Lord! 🙂

    Hooray for the real Saint Nick!

     
  20. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Last year, I saw a family in my hometown area had had some fun with the Santa myth, depicting him falling off their roof, holding on for dear life:

    Oops! Looks like he’s been there a while, with no milk or cookies to sustain him…

     
  21. Carnivore

    December 15, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Interesting discussion. Wonder if it’s more of a need of the parents to carry on or is there a legitimate reason to present an authority figure outside of the home who rewards/punishes in the here and now?

    In Germany, St. Nickolaus would bring gifts on December 6th, then Luther changes the tradition to the Christ Child, then the East German communist government (so I’m told) borrowed Father Frost from the Russians.

    Speaking of Germany, there’s also the tailor who comes to cut off the thumbs of children who suck their thumbs. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12116/12116-h/12116-h.htm#The_Story_of_Little_Suck-a-Thumb
    Don’t know if the author invented the character in 1845 or he put an existing legend into verse.

     
  22. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Wonder if it’s more of a need of the parents to carry on or is there a legitimate reason to present an authority figure outside of the home who rewards/punishes in the here and now?

    Like the ‘Bogeyman‘, eh?

    {Sigh} Is it really necessary, to make up reward/punishment figures, in bringing up children? I’m not a parent, but I can tell you, my parents never invoked a bogeyman of any sort.

    However, my mom once made up a story about a little boy who didn’t obey his parents, to whom certain bad things happened; I can’t remember what, but it was along the lines of something to do with hand hygiene, like clipping your nails, and his fingers becoming diseased, and having to be amputated. I loved that story, and had my mom tell it to me over and over again…

     
  23. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Parents had better be more creative, and not use pre-existing legends, today, because it’s so easy to Google a particular legend, to learn about it; imagine the convo, “Mom! Wikipedia says Santa is not real! Nor is the bogeyman, nor the tale of little Suck-a-Thumb!” 🙂

     
  24. Master Po

    December 15, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Hey, St. Nicolas’ greatest achievement was punching the heretic Arius in the debates of Nicea. Would that were all just a little more like him: St. Nicolas, Pray for us, patriarchs, that we will defend the faith as you did and order our lives toward the good of those we most love.

    As to the Santa Claus perversion…

    As good little iconoclastic Protestants, such as we were, we always resolved never to teach our children anything about Santa Claus. We home school. We don’t watch very much TV. I was, and remain, convinced that it is potentially damaging a child’s faith to learn that his parents told him what are now know to be obvious myths. If that’s so, then what other myths might they have told him? We never hid the fact that St. Nicolas was a real person, but that he was in heaven now and didn’t currently reside at the North Pole or roam around the world on Dec 24 giving gifts to children.

    Several of our children began to believe in him ANYWAY… which was fine because, at least, it didn’t come from us. Some of them probably believe in Pokemon too. No biggie… they’ll grow out of it.

     
  25. Master Po

    December 15, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Ermm… that’s “roam” not “rome” aound the world… Ack… Freudian slip!!

     
  26. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    @ MP: I fixed your typo for you, but I thought your correction and comment too good to also erase (as I normally would); ‘rome around the world’, indeed! 😉

    It would make an interesting paraphrase for the B-52s’ song, ‘Roam’:

    Rome, if you want to,
    Rome, around the world…

    Yes, Rusty Shackleford already made that observation re: St. Nick punching Arius, above. Kick-ass!

     
  27. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    @ MP: So, you’re not perpetuating the myth, though, now that you’re a Papist, that you eschewed during your Protestant days, since your kids learned about it from outside; but are you correcting them in their folly? i.e. not putting out milk and cookies to humour them, etc?

     
  28. Master Po

    December 15, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Oh, we’re not encouraging it, no. We do the stuffed stockings thing, but everyone (who cares to think about it) knows that mom stuffs them. An orange in my stocking? Why mom had a whole bag of them in the kitchen? I wonder where that bag went? When necessary we correct, it is our duty to correct, incorrect notions. But now that I have a whole horde of kids, they mostly correct each other: There’s nothing a 10-year old (especially a 10yo girl) likes better than disabusing their 6-year old sister of silly notions. Kids are mostly self-raising… salutary neglect-n-all that! Damn, I’m about ready to make another one!!

     
  29. Master Po

    December 15, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Ha! the B-52s. I’ll have to tell our new associate pastor about that one. He’s maybe 28, a fan of Led Zeppelin, fine scotch, and… get ready for it… the Biretta! He’s puttin’ the ass in Kick-ass Catholicism.

     
  30. CL

    December 15, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    When I first read my kids a book about St Nicolas, my youngest daughter exclaimed, “So Santa Claus is real! I knew it!” Her older sister had been saying for some time that there was no such thing as Santa, so she was heartily relieved to hear about St Nicolas. And there I was thinking I’d be disabusing them of the notion of Santa Claus!

    Still, it’s possible to take all this a bit too seriously. The tooth fairy, for instance, is just a bit of fun. I haven’t gone out of my way to make it a big thing or reinforce the myth, and I think my kids are pretty astute at figuring out “mom does it”, so basically they aren’t going to argue with getting a toonie (that’s a $2 coin, for you ‘Murricans) for a tooth, lol. They leave out a snack for “St Nicolas” and I write a little thank you note from “St Nicolas” (they decided to do this themselves instead of “Santa” once they learned about St Nick) and that’s pretty much it. They know I have to go Christmas shopping so I think they do put two and two together.

    Basically I don’t say either way and let them figure it out. “I don’t know… Maybe there is, maybe there isn’t…” so it’s more of a mystery for them to work out. I have told them “it’s just a story”, though. Somehow they seem to be able to discern the truth from fiction. They readily believe in Jesus’s miracles yet are sceptical about the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. It’s interesting to watch them figure things out.

     
  31. Carnivore

    December 15, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    “{Sigh} Is it really necessary, to make up reward/punishment figures, in bringing up children? I’m not a parent, but I can tell you, my parents never invoked a bogeyman of any sort.”

    Yeah, don’t know, I’m not a parent either. My parents did promote the “Santa Claus brings the gifts” story line but not the “He’s checking his list & checking it twice” part. Guess I got the best of it. 🙂

    It’s probably just parents following the overall culture. I work with some young men who have immigrated from India, recently married, one or two small kids. They are Hindus and yet, put up a Christmas tree, lights on the house, take the children to the Santa in the mall for pictures, have presents on Christmas day, etc.

     
  32. Master Po

    December 15, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    that’s a $2 coin, for you ‘Murricans

    Geez. I thought Aussies used kangaroo dung for currency. Go figure!

     
  33. CL

    December 15, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    MP, I’m Canadian. So we still don’t know for sure that Aussies don’t use kangaroo dung for currency.

     
  34. Elspeth

    December 15, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    I went to “like” this post and didn’t see the button there. Great post, Will.

    We do not perpetrate the Santa Claus hoax on our kids.

    O/T: I just posted a video from Reformed Baptist pastor Voddie Baucham on my blog that I think you might find interesting.

     
  35. Svar

    December 15, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    I always believed that Santa Clause existed but was looong dead. That’s the story my mom told me(she’s not Christian) and I believed her and it made sense to me. I guess I was right.

     
  36. Master Po

    December 15, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Ah looney -> tooney…

    I get it. Ha ha! That and SCTV convinces me that the Canucks ain’t so bad…

    Re: Australia, must have you confused with someone else…

     
  37. Master Po

    December 15, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Svar: Santa Claus existed but is long dead (heaven and all that). The Santa Clause is part of the US Constitution and is still alive and well today.

     
  38. Carnivore

    December 15, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    “The Santa Clause is part of the US Constitution and is still alive and well today.”

    You mean the sanity clause:

     
  39. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    @ CL: Oh, I know; like I said earlier to Ulysses, maybe I take it all too seriously, because I was traumatized by my childhood discovery, lol…

    @ Carnivore: Yes, I think most people just ‘go with the flow’, without even thinking about it…

    @ Elspeth: Hmm, I’m not sure how to make posts ‘likeable’; I thought they all were, by default settings… Anyway, thanks! Will check out the vid.

    @ Svar: Saint Nicholas existed. Santa Claus never did, except in imagination…

     
  40. Will S.

    December 15, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    @ MP: Kathy is Australian; perhaps you were thinking of her.

     
  41. Will S.

    December 16, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Appropriately enough, I have received a joke email, whose text was as follows:

    Adults only

    NUDE SANTA —–

    Scroll down to see the nude Santa

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    For crying out loud. Act your age. There is no Santa !

    Sometimes I just can’t believe you!!!

     
  42. CL

    December 18, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    LOL Will. I think I’m going to forward that.

     
  43. Will S.

    December 18, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    🙂

     
  44. Will S.

    December 6, 2013 at 12:41 pm

     
  45. Will S.

    December 8, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Found this amusing graphic at a Christian anti-Christmas website:

     

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